I'm a DA'er, and I would hope that most agree with me that NO ONE is superior than another for his/her choice in method of removing themselves from the borg. It all depends on what circumstances one is facing (i.e. family ties, job, etc.) For Little Drummer Boy and I, we felt that DA'ing was needed to get the borg off our backs and make a clean break. However, it was easier on us than it would be for others since we have no family that are JWs. I think the family issue is one of the key factors in whether to DA or fade.
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Are Faders "better" than DF'd or DA'd?
by ESTEE inthis is something i've been mulling over.
just would like to hear opinions as to whether faders, or inactive ones think they are superior to disfellowshipped or disassociated ones?
what is your experience with this?
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LAME (or funny) JW "Get together" stories, please...
by exwitless inok,i've been sick for 2 days (sore throat, feeling run-down) so i could use some good laughs.
something just made me think of how absurdly lame jw "get-togethers" always were.
there were several that we went to (when we were still being love-bombed as newbies) where we ate dinner, then played bible pictionary.
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exwitless
I just hoped to conclude without offending them or saying something that would start rumors. Unease, I suppose, is the best word to describe it. Not the same feeling with close friends. Every conversation was like a minefield-- don't step there, proceed this way, okay you're almost out of the minefield...don't blow it....
SirNose-Well put. That's just what it was like. There was no real conversation going on. It was all about how spiritually strong and happy you could pass yourself off to be. I can't imagine going to a gathering of non-JWs and someone pulling out the Bible Sharades game!!! Or starting a conversation like, "Wasn't the latest Watchtower great? I just never get tired of reading about how this Wicked System of Things is so very Wicked!" ... Puke!
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Kingdom Melodies and Hidden Messages
by inbyathread inthere has been talk about wt imagery and the use of subtle hypnotism during meetings.. we had a co who very forcefully wanted the piano players axed and the canned music used for the singing.. has there been any studies done to find sub-harmonic messages hidden in the music?.
paranoia and conspiracy artists may now address.
thanks.
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It's a well-known fact that any information set to a catchy tune becomes much more deeply ingrained in our memory than just reading it alone. That's why commercial jingles tend to stick around in our brains long after the commercial stopped airing. The KM's are almost worse than the WT as far as their hypnotic effects. I know I never really stopped to analyze what I was singing about, because if the borg wrote the songs, I figured they must be OK!
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LAME (or funny) JW "Get together" stories, please...
by exwitless inok,i've been sick for 2 days (sore throat, feeling run-down) so i could use some good laughs.
something just made me think of how absurdly lame jw "get-togethers" always were.
there were several that we went to (when we were still being love-bombed as newbies) where we ate dinner, then played bible pictionary.
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I didn't think of it at the time, but NONE of the get togethers actually involved just "hanging out" and talking like real people. They were just like going to a meeting, where everyone says, "Hi, sister, how are you?" with a cheesy smile on their faces but they aren't really asking how you are. The gatherings that I went to were eerily like the pictures out of the WT, where there's a Bible on the coffee table (and of course WT magazines) and the women in dresses and men in suits or polo shirts. Except one time we gathered at a park, and one brother who obviously didn't own "casual wear" came with shorts, a button down shirt, and BLACK KNEE-HIGH SOCKS AND BLACK DRESS SHOES. Poor guy. It was also interesting that as soon as my husband and I began to miss meetings (to care for his elderly parents), the invites to the shindigs came to a screeching halt. It's kinda sad when you're no longer considered worthy to even be invited to a lame JW gathering.
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LAME (or funny) JW "Get together" stories, please...
by exwitless inok,i've been sick for 2 days (sore throat, feeling run-down) so i could use some good laughs.
something just made me think of how absurdly lame jw "get-togethers" always were.
there were several that we went to (when we were still being love-bombed as newbies) where we ate dinner, then played bible pictionary.
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OK,I've been sick for 2 days (sore throat, feeling run-down) so I could use some good laughs. Something just made me think of how absurdly lame JW "get-togethers" always were. There were several that we went to (when we were still being love-bombed as newbies) where we ate dinner, then played BIBLE PICTIONARY. At others, we played BIBLE TRIVIA games. At a baby shower once, we each had to write down our favorite scripture and other things about ourselves, then the host read them and we had to guess who it was. At a going away "get together" for one couple, we all had to sing a kingdom melody of the couples' choice. One particular elder (who was about as "play-by-the-rules" an elder as anyone I've ever known) always brought the board game "Tribond" to every get together. Woo; exciting; yay-Tribond again. Any good stories from you "get-together" animals out there? (We wouldn't want to call it a party, after all. Too worldly sounding.)
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Hardships and Assemblies
by Sunspot ini just left a post on the "pa convention" thread concerning some of the hardships and difficulties that jws had to (or some here still have to?
) endure just to either get to a convention or what they go through after getting to the convention.. having to trot around from designated doors to the restrooms (rather than being ordered to use the door they told you to) no matter where your family was sitting..... or having you and your family have to climb way too many stairs on the last upper tier to find seats.....while plenty of empty seats remained on the ground floor that were never used that whole day?.
or the designated wts-regulation-sized cooler you had to lug into the stadium because you weren't allowed to leave the site to get a snack or a drink?.
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I remember going to an assembly with my husband and our son who was about 18 months old. No matter how early we got there in the morning, EVERY blasted seat was saved with a WT or songbook over it. We walked and walked up and down and all around, and we finally found 2 seats (not even one for our son) in about the middle of the arena. Just about as soon as I was getting the feeling back in my feet, a "brother" came up and said "those seats were saved for us." My husband said "there wasn't anything on them to save them" and the "brother" said, "well, the whole row is for our family." My husband said "look, we just walked around for a half hour and we have a baby. Can't you let us sit here?" NOPE-the "brother" wouldn't give in. So up we go again. We had to wait until they opened some "overflow" seating in the nose-bleeder section, which had very narrow slick concrete steps to get up and down. Try carrying an 18 month old up and down those steps several times a day, besides the fact it was blazing hot up there and no direct lighting so we had to squint to see our Bibles. Good times, good times. A true show of how our "brothers" will do anything for each other out of the goodness of their hearts.
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Fading: A Little Craziness Helps
by metatron inas you may know, i am a zealous advocate of using depression as a means of fading out of the organization.. let me add that a hint of craziness or mental illness can work wonders, too.
instead of shunning you, your witness.
relatives and "friends" may make quite an allowance for you, if you just keep your mouth shut about deep apostasy.. they may just feel sorry for you and leave you alone- at least, that's largely my experience.. remember that movie that said "love means never having to say you're sorry"?
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I'm sorry, I just don't think of mental illness is a "tactic". I would no more fake mental illness than I would fake having cancer. I found that writing a simple DA letter solved my issues of wanting the elders to stay away. Telling your children that people are scared of "crazy" behavior (which is true)and to fake it or use it to their advantage, again, trivializes the significance of the illness.
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Who is your favourite Star Trek character?
by slimboyfat inmine is garak because he has a healthy cynicism about everything, yet is good deep down.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/garak .
slim.
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Data and Worf, especially as the Next Generation progressed.
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Fading: A Little Craziness Helps
by metatron inas you may know, i am a zealous advocate of using depression as a means of fading out of the organization.. let me add that a hint of craziness or mental illness can work wonders, too.
instead of shunning you, your witness.
relatives and "friends" may make quite an allowance for you, if you just keep your mouth shut about deep apostasy.. they may just feel sorry for you and leave you alone- at least, that's largely my experience.. remember that movie that said "love means never having to say you're sorry"?
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Metatron - I will say it again, as I did in your previous thread about this: You might consider that quite a number of forum readers/users actually DO battle mental illness FOR REAL. Your flippant comments about pretending to be "crazy" are offensive. This is why there is such a stigma against mental illness. People don't view it as a real disease, and that if sufferers really wanted to, they could just wish their illness away. This type of attitude trivializes the difficulty in dealing with the disease and does no favors to those who really suffer.
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The JW phrase I most despise is...
by exwitless in"need greaters" ugh!!
i hate that phrase and i always have.
we knew a jw couple who applied every year to bethel and giliad until the age cut-off (age 35 or 40?).
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Carla - "Yeah, uh huh..." LOL!!! I forgot how that used to annoy me. It's exactly like you said. This is the response the WT conductor always gives when you make a comment that is actually inciteful and not just re-vomiting the WT words. Another thing our WT conductor ALWAYS said at the beginning of the WT study was "There's nothing difficult about the lesson, folks, so we should have full participation today." I mean he ALWAYS said that. He said it in a way to try to guilt people in to commenting. When we were down to the last question or 2, he would say "For those of you who haven't commented at all, this is your last chance." Who wants to raise their hand after he says that?