Yes, but a resurrected man.
Mondo1
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Revelation 1.17 Jesus divinity? Or just "the first" raised from the dead"?
by Hellrider ini have been having an argument in this thread, which originally was about the trinity (oh no, not again.... http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/121719/1.ashx.
...with mondo1, about what the text in revelation 1.17 means.
i don`t want this thread to turn into another trinity-thread, let`s just keep it to the phrase "the first and the last", and revelation, and jesus` status in this text.
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Revelation 1.17 Jesus divinity? Or just "the first" raised from the dead"?
by Hellrider ini have been having an argument in this thread, which originally was about the trinity (oh no, not again.... http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/121719/1.ashx.
...with mondo1, about what the text in revelation 1.17 means.
i don`t want this thread to turn into another trinity-thread, let`s just keep it to the phrase "the first and the last", and revelation, and jesus` status in this text.
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Mondo1
DD,
Well if you want to call him an angel.. lets do it for the sake of discussion. He is not an angel/human because he no longer exists as an angel. He isn't 50/50 or 100/100 as Trinitarians would oxymoronically say. He is 100% human in his existence, he simply had another mode of existence prior.
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Revelation 1.17 Jesus divinity? Or just "the first" raised from the dead"?
by Hellrider ini have been having an argument in this thread, which originally was about the trinity (oh no, not again.... http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/121719/1.ashx.
...with mondo1, about what the text in revelation 1.17 means.
i don`t want this thread to turn into another trinity-thread, let`s just keep it to the phrase "the first and the last", and revelation, and jesus` status in this text.
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Mondo1
littletoe,
I don't think we have any way of knowing. The Bible doesn't tell us and so we can only speculate. The lamb being slain before the foundation of the world (age) is prophetic. It was as done because God said it would be. The "world" though is the "age" that began when Adam and Eve were expelled from the garden. So I don't see how this tells us anything about time.
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Revelation 1.17 Jesus divinity? Or just "the first" raised from the dead"?
by Hellrider ini have been having an argument in this thread, which originally was about the trinity (oh no, not again.... http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/121719/1.ashx.
...with mondo1, about what the text in revelation 1.17 means.
i don`t want this thread to turn into another trinity-thread, let`s just keep it to the phrase "the first and the last", and revelation, and jesus` status in this text.
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Mondo1
ellderwho,
Will you stop acting so immature please?
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Revelation 1.17 Jesus divinity? Or just "the first" raised from the dead"?
by Hellrider ini have been having an argument in this thread, which originally was about the trinity (oh no, not again.... http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/121719/1.ashx.
...with mondo1, about what the text in revelation 1.17 means.
i don`t want this thread to turn into another trinity-thread, let`s just keep it to the phrase "the first and the last", and revelation, and jesus` status in this text.
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Mondo1
I could only speculate... so why bother? I simply know that eternity is without end.
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Revelation 1.17 Jesus divinity? Or just "the first" raised from the dead"?
by Hellrider ini have been having an argument in this thread, which originally was about the trinity (oh no, not again.... http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/121719/1.ashx.
...with mondo1, about what the text in revelation 1.17 means.
i don`t want this thread to turn into another trinity-thread, let`s just keep it to the phrase "the first and the last", and revelation, and jesus` status in this text.
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Mondo1
Sure. He absolutely now possesses it.
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Revelation 1.17 Jesus divinity? Or just "the first" raised from the dead"?
by Hellrider ini have been having an argument in this thread, which originally was about the trinity (oh no, not again.... http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/121719/1.ashx.
...with mondo1, about what the text in revelation 1.17 means.
i don`t want this thread to turn into another trinity-thread, let`s just keep it to the phrase "the first and the last", and revelation, and jesus` status in this text.
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Mondo1
I guess that depends on how you wish to define nature, but it is not how I define it and that does not fit the Trinitarian sense.
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Revelation 1.17 Jesus divinity? Or just "the first" raised from the dead"?
by Hellrider ini have been having an argument in this thread, which originally was about the trinity (oh no, not again.... http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/121719/1.ashx.
...with mondo1, about what the text in revelation 1.17 means.
i don`t want this thread to turn into another trinity-thread, let`s just keep it to the phrase "the first and the last", and revelation, and jesus` status in this text.
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Mondo1
The problem with calling him God ontologically is that the Bible is clear in that the deity Christ possessed is based upon the Father choosing for him to possess it. (Col. 1:19; 2:9) One might say that he is ontologically a god because of the Father giving him his deity, but not God. The problem is also that "God" is used as a quazi-proper name in Scripture, and when it is used in such a way it describes the Father, the one true (alhqinos) God, which Jesus is not.
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Revelation 1.17 Jesus divinity? Or just "the first" raised from the dead"?
by Hellrider ini have been having an argument in this thread, which originally was about the trinity (oh no, not again.... http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/121719/1.ashx.
...with mondo1, about what the text in revelation 1.17 means.
i don`t want this thread to turn into another trinity-thread, let`s just keep it to the phrase "the first and the last", and revelation, and jesus` status in this text.
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Mondo1
His person. His consciousness. His life. This is what came down. The means of existence within which this existed changed.
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Revelation 1.17 Jesus divinity? Or just "the first" raised from the dead"?
by Hellrider ini have been having an argument in this thread, which originally was about the trinity (oh no, not again.... http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/121719/1.ashx.
...with mondo1, about what the text in revelation 1.17 means.
i don`t want this thread to turn into another trinity-thread, let`s just keep it to the phrase "the first and the last", and revelation, and jesus` status in this text.
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Mondo1
Well let me first say that no, I do not agree that Isaiah saw Christ on the throne. I will not rule it out, for it is possible that Christ mediated that event as God's agent, but Scripture does not explicitly tell us that.
For Phil. 2:6-7, he was in the form of God as the Logos. He was God's agent, he appeared as God in representation of him. As Jewish tradition tells us, a man's agent is as himself. So for Jesus, as the Logos, to appear, would be as God appearing, legally, though not physically God. He gave up that position though, taking for himself the position of a servant, and coming to be as a man.
The Bible is very clear in that what Christ had he "emptied himself" of, so no I do not believe he had a dual nature. Not in the Trinitarian sense of it anyway.
Mondo