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Who is Jesus? Is he God?
by BelieverInJesus in
1. watchtower
2. bible
i live in memphis.

months ago, i had some jw's come by and talk with me.

i'm a believer in the holy bible.
Mondo1

DD,
You wrote: Well this looks a little problematic for you?
Reply: Did you not read verse 4? What do idols have to do with anything? If you want to rip verse 3 out of context, make sure to rip verse 4 out too and say we can't have art!
Mondo
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Who is Jesus? Is he God?
by BelieverInJesus in
1. watchtower
2. bible
i live in memphis.

months ago, i had some jw's come by and talk with me.

i'm a believer in the holy bible.
Mondo1

ellderwho,
What I am presenting is obviously more than sufficient, for you are unable to come back with any type of reply other than to deny I addressed your point. As you are unable to show where I did not address it, though you claim that I do, you demonstrate that I did in fact address it.
Mondo
396
Who is Jesus? Is he God?
by BelieverInJesus in
1. watchtower
2. bible
i live in memphis.

months ago, i had some jw's come by and talk with me.

i'm a believer in the holy bible.
Mondo1

ellderwho,
Do you even know what a strawman is? Apparently not, because I did not commit one. I merely observed that if God giving Jesus glory means Jesus is God, Jesus giving his disciples glory means his disciples are God. Obviously the text does not mean that, so obviously that view is wrong. I did not claim for you an argument that you did not make and then go ahead and shoot it down, which is what a strawman is. I have delt with your verses. If you do not believe I have, then you need to demonstrate such, for empty claims of it do not impress anybody.
Mondo
396
Who is Jesus? Is he God?
by BelieverInJesus in
1. watchtower
2. bible
i live in memphis.

months ago, i had some jw's come by and talk with me.

i'm a believer in the holy bible.
Mondo1

hellride,
If you keep reading, you'll see I gave good reason to understand a speaker change, for there is something quite clear in the text that does show it.
For Thomas' words, there is nothing that would make one take it in the Trinitarian sense either. Yet the Trinitarian view isn't really that Jesus is "God," for Trinitarians don't *really* even believe that. They believe that God is Triune and Jesus is actually a PERSON of God.
Mondo
396
Who is Jesus? Is he God?
by BelieverInJesus in
1. watchtower
2. bible
i live in memphis.

months ago, i had some jw's come by and talk with me.

i'm a believer in the holy bible.
Mondo1

Ellderwho,
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More fluff, your evading the idea of the verse, Its not something to be understood/grasped.
Why would Jesus grasping for equality be hard to understand?
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Dismissal is how you respond to refutation, eh? The text says he did NOT grasp for equality. It says OUC hARPAGMON, not just hARPAGMON.
Mondo
396
Who is Jesus? Is he God?
by BelieverInJesus in
1. watchtower
2. bible
i live in memphis.

months ago, i had some jw's come by and talk with me.

i'm a believer in the holy bible.
Mondo1

What more do you want to know? That sums it up pretty well.
396
Who is Jesus? Is he God?
by BelieverInJesus in
1. watchtower
2. bible
i live in memphis.

months ago, i had some jw's come by and talk with me.

i'm a believer in the holy bible.
Mondo1

DD,
No, Acts is speaking of men actually, and amoung men Jesus is the only one. Notice it speaks of names given ****under**** heaven. Names under heaven are given to men. God's name is not under heaven, but it has eternally been his IN heaven.
Mondo
396
Who is Jesus? Is he God?
by BelieverInJesus in
1. watchtower
2. bible
i live in memphis.

months ago, i had some jw's come by and talk with me.

i'm a believer in the holy bible.
Mondo1

ellderwho,
I am doing something we call exegesis. I am looking at the text, and pulling from the text a meaning based upon what it says. You, on the other hand, are simply citing any texts that deals with Jesus, God and glory as though they prove something. You are not telling us how or why the prove what you claim, you are simply claiming they do. Sorry if I keep shooting down your arguments by a consideration of what they say.
For how Jesus gets his own glory, it is in a way similar to how the angels do I would imagine, but on a much greater scale. Jesus is raised by God to a high position, so that all will recognize who he is and what he has done and in such a way he is glorified.
Mondo
396
Who is Jesus? Is he God?
by BelieverInJesus in
1. watchtower
2. bible
i live in memphis.

months ago, i had some jw's come by and talk with me.

i'm a believer in the holy bible.
Mondo1

DD,
It is one thing to get upset and somebody else's words, it is quite another to get upset with a complete distortion of God's word in translation. You did the former, I did the latter.
For how I worship Jesus, it is through praise and obedience.
Mondo
396
Who is Jesus? Is he God?
by BelieverInJesus in
1. watchtower
2. bible
i live in memphis.

months ago, i had some jw's come by and talk with me.

i'm a believer in the holy bible.
Mondo1

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No I'm not adding anything. You are incorrect. It's a literal interpretation of the fact Nebuchadnezzar is an earthly king! YOU, in a way, are putting him above God, they way you write it. Nebuchadnezzar, is a sinner, like you and me who fall short of the glory of God. Jesus and God are waaaaaay above Nebuchadnezzar. If I said that pilot is a "Pilot of Pilot's", that would not make him qualify as equal to the chief pilot of the airline! He would just be a great pilot of pilots. Only 1 Chief Pilot at the airline however.
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So let us take your logic and apply it to Jesus and God. Simply because they are both called something does not mean they are both called it in the same way! Good! :)
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Your points on Rev 12-20 are off. I think your confused. Infact I think your probably scratching your head thinking....we'll that's what the JW's taught, but uh I uh hmmm don't know. Your either for or against Jesus. Every knee will bow, every tounge will confess, including you. Look at verse 16, what did he send his angel to testify about? The above verse's! It's Jesus speaking throughout. How can you just jump back and forth to interpret what you want the word to say? You can't, Jesus is God!
------------------------------ Do you realize that you did not actually address anything I said? You only stated that I am wrong and moved on. Why don't you address those issues? I would point out that the NA27 GNT specifically references Revelation 22:12 as an allusion to Isaiah 40:10.
Mondo