Posts by Mondo1

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Who is God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit?
by sanjanicole in
1. jw
2. friends
i am studying about jw, and as i understand it you do not believe in the trinity, how can you not belive in something that the bible says is real, i understand that the word trinity itself is not in the bible, but that does not mean that it does not exist especially since the triune god is talked about in the bible...
Mondo1

sanjanicole,
Let me refer you to a website that I believe will help you in your quest to understand the Biblical issues at hand:
Scripturaltruths.com It deals with a number of things, but issues related to the Trinity addressed there.
Mondo
396
Who is Jesus? Is he God?
by BelieverInJesus in
1. watchtower
2. bible
i live in memphis.

months ago, i had some jw's come by and talk with me.

i'm a believer in the holy bible.
Mondo1

Ellderwho,
What part of OUC do you not understand? Shall I translate the verse for you?
OUC hARPAGMON hHGHSATO TO EINAI ISA QEW
"he did not consider to rape equality with God."
He did not grasp for equality with God. You want that word *not* to go away, and yet it is right there in the text.
Mondo
396
Who is Jesus? Is he God?
by BelieverInJesus in
1. watchtower
2. bible
i live in memphis.

months ago, i had some jw's come by and talk with me.

i'm a believer in the holy bible.
Mondo1

ellderwho,
You write: Again Mondo1, I very simply highlight a claim that Jehovah makes. Kinda like thus saith the LORD. You say I take it out of context. I show verses the clearly denote glory and the origination of and a sharing of glory with his Son, which Jehovah clearly prohibits.
Reply: You are highlighting a claim, but in doing so you are ripping it out of context to make it *seem* to be saying something it does not. You have shown no "sharing" of glory, you have shown a possession of glory. Big difference. No thought of "share" is in any of the verses you quoted.
You write: What? I give you verses that show God gave his glory, what more do you need?
Reply: You did no such thing. The text does not say that God gave Jesus his glory, but that God gave Jesus glory. As John 17 showed, Jesus gave that same glory to his disciples. So by your argument the disciples must be God too! You have not addressed this point.
You write: Are you then denying the scriptures cited. What now?
Reply: I'm denying your eisegesis and gross abuse of Scripture by claiming for them to say something they don't say and citing them to prove something they don't prove.
Mondo
396
Who is Jesus? Is he God?
by BelieverInJesus in
1. watchtower
2. bible
i live in memphis.

months ago, i had some jw's come by and talk with me.

i'm a believer in the holy bible.
Mondo1

DD,
You wrote: Well this looks a little problematic for you?
Reply: Did you not read verse 4? What do idols have to do with anything? If you want to rip verse 3 out of context, make sure to rip verse 4 out too and say we can't have art!
Mondo
396
Who is Jesus? Is he God?
by BelieverInJesus in
1. watchtower
2. bible
i live in memphis.

months ago, i had some jw's come by and talk with me.

i'm a believer in the holy bible.
Mondo1

ellderwho,
What I am presenting is obviously more than sufficient, for you are unable to come back with any type of reply other than to deny I addressed your point. As you are unable to show where I did not address it, though you claim that I do, you demonstrate that I did in fact address it.
Mondo
396
Who is Jesus? Is he God?
by BelieverInJesus in
1. watchtower
2. bible
i live in memphis.

months ago, i had some jw's come by and talk with me.

i'm a believer in the holy bible.
Mondo1

ellderwho,
Do you even know what a strawman is? Apparently not, because I did not commit one. I merely observed that if God giving Jesus glory means Jesus is God, Jesus giving his disciples glory means his disciples are God. Obviously the text does not mean that, so obviously that view is wrong. I did not claim for you an argument that you did not make and then go ahead and shoot it down, which is what a strawman is. I have delt with your verses. If you do not believe I have, then you need to demonstrate such, for empty claims of it do not impress anybody.
Mondo
396
Who is Jesus? Is he God?
by BelieverInJesus in
1. watchtower
2. bible
i live in memphis.

months ago, i had some jw's come by and talk with me.

i'm a believer in the holy bible.
Mondo1

hellride,
If you keep reading, you'll see I gave good reason to understand a speaker change, for there is something quite clear in the text that does show it.
For Thomas' words, there is nothing that would make one take it in the Trinitarian sense either. Yet the Trinitarian view isn't really that Jesus is "God," for Trinitarians don't *really* even believe that. They believe that God is Triune and Jesus is actually a PERSON of God.
Mondo
396
Who is Jesus? Is he God?
by BelieverInJesus in
1. watchtower
2. bible
i live in memphis.

months ago, i had some jw's come by and talk with me.

i'm a believer in the holy bible.
Mondo1

Ellderwho,
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More fluff, your evading the idea of the verse, Its not something to be understood/grasped.
Why would Jesus grasping for equality be hard to understand?
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Dismissal is how you respond to refutation, eh? The text says he did NOT grasp for equality. It says OUC hARPAGMON, not just hARPAGMON.
Mondo
396
Who is Jesus? Is he God?
by BelieverInJesus in
1. watchtower
2. bible
i live in memphis.

months ago, i had some jw's come by and talk with me.

i'm a believer in the holy bible.
Mondo1

What more do you want to know? That sums it up pretty well.
396
Who is Jesus? Is he God?
by BelieverInJesus in
1. watchtower
2. bible
i live in memphis.

months ago, i had some jw's come by and talk with me.

i'm a believer in the holy bible.
Mondo1

DD,
No, Acts is speaking of men actually, and amoung men Jesus is the only one. Notice it speaks of names given ****under**** heaven. Names under heaven are given to men. God's name is not under heaven, but it has eternally been his IN heaven.
Mondo