ok...so i'm a 19 year old fifth generation jw.
mentality, i've been out of the "truth" since i was 16(woke up after i was baptized ironically), but on the outside i'm a model jw.
my parents are really devoted, my grandparents are super devoted, and so are my ants and uncles.
Welcome to the forum JW-Matrix. It is difficult to just 'walk away' if your social support are all JW's. However you have time on your side. Play the game, make friends in college. Create a new support system, which will make things so much easier.
You wont be the only awakened JW, that acts the part. There are many others, even elders here, that know the truth about the truth. Circumstances keep them in, for now.
Good luck.
:)
ok. some back story.
i was born into the jw thing.
so was my dad and mom.
You may feel lost now, but that will fade with time. When meeting new people its understandable to feel the need to share your story. however don't unload the whole novel in one go.
Those of us 'born-in' go a bit nuts when we escape the thought police. You will find genuine friends, and people who truly care.
I wish you all the best on your new adventure.
watched the bending truth video last week - an essential for those asking "why?
" people join, and why people stay.. the co's talk on inspired truth and inspired error made much reference to habakkuk "not be late.".
and then, they actually verbalized the bending truth video, for those wondering about the delay, and what to do.. "think about how much time and money you have already invested in serving jehovah.
so as i am "listening" to the wt study going on this question was asked.
"how do you feel about refined understanding?".
some of the comments were:.
The more things change, the more they stay the same. Over a decade now since I stepped over the threshold of a kingdom hall, and it seems its all the same smoke and mirrors..
i cant recall the scripture, where it says than only a few men will he live to be 80 years or so, can anyone recall that?.
so then im wondering, if it is a fact that men lived long years 900 in some cases, for what reason would god limit our lifespan if our time is so short compared to his?.
how on earth does man go from living 8 and 9 hundred years down to 80 to 100 ?.
Its been a while, forgotten how to post.....I recall an article in the Awake or Watchtower that tried to answer that question. There was a picture of a desk fan. The explanation was something like this: There was a picture of a desk fan. "Before sin and Humans were perfect, they were plugged in directly to God's power" after sinning and being kicked out of the garden, the human race was unplugged. Just like the fan that slows down until it stops, so did human life expectancy drop'.
So, those who lived soon after the infamous fruit theft, lived long lives. the further away we get, the lower life expectancy became.
i cant recall the scripture, where it says than only a few men will he live to be 80 years or so, can anyone recall that?.
so then im wondering, if it is a fact that men lived long years 900 in some cases, for what reason would god limit our lifespan if our time is so short compared to his?.
how on earth does man go from living 8 and 9 hundred years down to 80 to 100 ?.
I recall an article in the Awake or Watchtower that tried to answer that question. There was a picture of a desk fan. The explanation was something like this:
i'm not da or df and for some reason i can't bring myself to da just yet.
but i'm living in terror.
today it something came up that reminded me.
You are not the only one who feel fear when dealing with JW's. I know how they gossip, And its a certainty that I am discussed at length with much muttering and headshaking...."How is it possible? He was such a good elder's son. He was going to be an elder! Tsk Tsk. Mutter mutter."
I did not DA, and I did not go to any JC. They lied to me, and therefore have no authority.
You are not obligated to do anything, except leave. The anger and feelings of fear, regret and pain, it will get better. Just give it some time.
Quote from Colin Powell " It aint as bad as you think. It will look beter in the morning"
my father, (still an elder) has suprised me last week with a simple text message.
"we (my mother & father) will be in your city this weekend, please come and have supper with us".
i was delaying my reply, thinking of what to say, when he phoned.
It does seem to be a cobbled together piece of fiction. Ray is getting a raw deal here, and its not fair.
my father, (still an elder) has suprised me last week with a simple text message.
"we (my mother & father) will be in your city this weekend, please come and have supper with us".
i was delaying my reply, thinking of what to say, when he phoned.
@ TOH...
my father, (still an elder) has suprised me last week with a simple text message.
"we (my mother & father) will be in your city this weekend, please come and have supper with us".
i was delaying my reply, thinking of what to say, when he phoned.
My father, (still an elder) has suprised me last week with a simple text message. "We (my mother & father) will be in your city this weekend, please come and have supper with us"
I was delaying my reply, thinking of what to say, when he phoned. At first we did the Hello's with awkward gaps in conversation.
I then asked.."At this meal, what are we going to speak about? Seriously, you and my B-I-L just about frog marched us off your property, nothing has changed since then.'
He then went into the rehearsed speech about they want to check if we reconsidered not being JW's, we should wait on Jehovah, he will clean the organization. And if there is a problem with the Governing Body, it will be sorted out, just like Ray Franz was kicked out. And here is the kicker, That in 1974, Ray Franz was in charge of the writing committee and he produced a book called 'The Lamp" that claimed that 1975 was an important year and that Armegeddon will be starting! And lots of JW's fell for it and 'fell away!"
At this point my chin hit the floor...WTF??? Have any of you heard of this????
I tried to get a word in, but it was like trying to stop a storming Rhino. How do you converse with someone this unreasonable?? I started to end the conversation, explaining that we are out. We have no desire to go back. At which he said that they (mom &dad) still loves us and the children. That its is because of that love we are being ostracized. Really? "The most un Christian thing I have ever heard of' And those were my last words to him...
Over the weekend it bugged me about this 'Lamp" book. The closest I found was the 'Your Word is a Lamp to my foot' printed 1967. ( link is www.strictlygenteel.co.uk/lamp)
Yesterday, i decided to phone him back. I started with "You could have been in serious trouble if a local JW saw us having a meal together. And I appreciate that you would risk it." And being a little calmer this time, I managed to defend my position, quoting the July 2009 Awake, and the Awake in 1968 /Oct 8, the Masthead on the awakes from 1982 to 95. Rather suprised that I got a coherent argument in. My father then replied he does not remember it like that, I must send him the publications and their dates.
Which I am about to do. However, I still wonder where he got this Ray Franz/Lamp book/1975 thing from.... Any ideas?
Agent Smith
