Though it is funny I want it deleted and the info but on the main page which is the reason I created it as a compromise so the info got on wiki.
Posts by 5go
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8Yeah it's a year old and a I started it.
by 5go ini started this page on wikipedia it should say greyfox for pretty much the whole first page of history.
i guess i forgot to sign in but greyfox is me.. .
http://http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=controversies_regarding_jehovah%27s_witnesses&dir=prev&limit=20&action=history.
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Yeah it's a year old and a I started it.
by 5go ini started this page on wikipedia it should say greyfox for pretty much the whole first page of history.
i guess i forgot to sign in but greyfox is me.. .
http://http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=controversies_regarding_jehovah%27s_witnesses&dir=prev&limit=20&action=history.
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Actualy it was another started as another JW page with no links to the main article. I just erased a good deal of stuff added to it the good stuff an put a link to the wiki JW page. So techincaly I didn't start it but I did give it it's name, life, and put the link and bitched when people removed it for a couple of months.
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Yeah it's a year old and a I started it.
by 5go ini started this page on wikipedia it should say greyfox for pretty much the whole first page of history.
i guess i forgot to sign in but greyfox is me.. .
http://http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=controversies_regarding_jehovah%27s_witnesses&dir=prev&limit=20&action=history.
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I did when I was editing it took a while to keep them from deleting it I always had a guy named duffer trying to change it to sound good. Props to the guys that kept it up I got fed up and left wiki never to edit again. Well as long as it isn't a contraversy. I do every now and again. There is serveral head ups in the wiki org that are simpathetic to witnesses so you'll never win a moderation. Best to kept low when editing and CYA.
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Yeah it's a year old and a I started it.
by 5go ini started this page on wikipedia it should say greyfox for pretty much the whole first page of history.
i guess i forgot to sign in but greyfox is me.. .
http://http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=controversies_regarding_jehovah%27s_witnesses&dir=prev&limit=20&action=history.
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Now I just went to a master member so more partying !
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What rebellious things did you secretly do while still in?
by Paisley inonacruse and mouthy said something very interesting in becca's thread and it got me thinking..... did you intentionally do certain things, either to assert yourself, even though privately/secretly, or just because you strongly felt it was the right thing to do?
things that were not in keeping with the organization's teachings?
things that if known, could get you in hot water in the congregation?.
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5go
None of your business.
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Yeah it's a year old and a I started it.
by 5go ini started this page on wikipedia it should say greyfox for pretty much the whole first page of history.
i guess i forgot to sign in but greyfox is me.. .
http://http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=controversies_regarding_jehovah%27s_witnesses&dir=prev&limit=20&action=history.
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5go
Party everone I feel good for a change. Well actualy I was feeling good but now I feel even better.
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Yeah it's a year old and a I started it.
by 5go ini started this page on wikipedia it should say greyfox for pretty much the whole first page of history.
i guess i forgot to sign in but greyfox is me.. .
http://http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=controversies_regarding_jehovah%27s_witnesses&dir=prev&limit=20&action=history.
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I started this page on wikipedia it should say greyfox for pretty much the whole first page of history. I guess I forgot to sign in but greyfox is me.
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France what did come of it ?
by 5go infrance what did come of it ?
i am amazed no info?
must not be good if the society isn't talking.. i mean for the society..
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Here what wikipedia says. Oh by the way I started the contravercies page I feel so good it's still there.
[ edit ] France
In France, a number of court cases have involved Jehovah Witnesses and their organizations, especially on the question of their refusing blood transfusions to minor patients. These questions had far-reaching legal implications regarding the tax status of their organizations.
[ edit ] Cases essentially related to the Witnesses' attitude on blood transfusions
The French population generally considers that refusing blood transfusions on grounds of religious beliefs is excessive and that refusing them for minor children is abusive and even criminal, and this is reflected in the attitude of the government and the legal system.
The Association Les Témoins de Jéhovah, a not-for-profit religious association used by Jehovah's Witnesses in France, was denied tax-exempt status for certain taxes by the French tax authorities. Religion-supporting organizations (associations cultuelles) in France can ask to be exempted from a number of taxes, including taxes on donations, as long as their purpose is solely to organize religious worship and they do not infringe on public order. The reasons for this denial were stated:
- The association of Jehovah's Witnesses forbids its members to defend the nation, to take part in public life, to give blood transfusions to their minor children and that the parliamentary commission on cults has listed them as a cult which can disturb public order. [2]
The list alluded to as final argument is given in the report (unofficial translation) from a 1996 Parliamentary Commission on Cults; [3] however, reports such as this carry no legal or regulatory force.
On October 5, 2004, the Court of Cassation, which is the highest court in France for cases outside of administrative law, made public a decision in the case of Association Les Témoins de Jéhovah v. Direction des Services Fiscaux which rejected the Witnesses' recourse against taxation at 60 percent of the value of some of their contributions, which the fiscal services assimilated to a legal category of donations close to that of inheritance and subject to the same taxes between non-parents (text of the ruling, in legal French). The amount involved in the controversy could exceed $28 million (U.S.). According to Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society representatives, this includes a 60% tax on contributions used to support a vast humanitarian relief effort to Rwanda in 1994. [4] Roughly speaking French law makes a clear distinction between normal non-profit associations (which are not tax-exempt for the above category of donations), non-profit associations of public usefulness (whose donations are tax exempt; this is the legal form normally used for associations engaging in humanitarian aid), and associations supporting religious activities (whose donations are tax exempt). Humanitarian aid is not considered support of religious activities and thus, accordingly, is not considered to be tax-exempt under the rules governing associations supporting religious activities; the usual solution is to found a separate association devoted to humanitarian aid, which will operate under the tax rules pertaining to associations devoted to humanitarian aid; it may then be possible to have it declared of public usefulness. To summarize the ruling, the fiscal services could legally tax the associations of the Witnesses if they received donations in the form of dons gratuits and they were not recognized as associations cultuelles.
However, the Conseil d'État , the supreme court for administrative matters, ruled that denying the statute of association cultuelle on grounds of accusations of infringement of public order was illegal unless substantiated by actual proofs of that infringement. For instance, a legal reason for this denial could be that the association incited to felonies such as failing to assist a person in danger; but mere considerations that the doctrine of the association could lead to such incitations were insufficient (court case; translation).
Other court cases have concerned the right for a patient, or of a minor patient's legal guardians, to refuse medical treatment even in case of lethal consequences should the treatment not be accepted. For instance, in a 2001 court case, doctors at a French public hospital that had given blood products to a patient with an acute renal insufficiency, in clear danger of death, were found not to have committed a mistake of a nature to involve the responsibility of the State (communiqué, English translation). The commentary of the Council, however, was that there does not exist, for the doctor, an abstract and unalterable hierarchy between the obligation to treat the patient, and that to respect the will of the patient; that is, doctors, when faced with the question of whether to treat a patient against his will, do not have a legally predefined obligation to treat the patient, nor do they have a legally predefined obligation to abide by his or her wishes.
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France what did come of it ?
by 5go infrance what did come of it ?
i am amazed no info?
must not be good if the society isn't talking.. i mean for the society..
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France what did come of it ? I am amazed no info? Must not be good if the society isn't talking.
I mean for the society.
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So Smart you become an idiot.
by Sparkplug inhave you ever known people that are quite genius?
they amaze you with the intelligence they have and yet in everyday life they just do not have the brainpower that god gave a goose.
i married two of these type of people and i always had to wonder how things like the universe, god, science and quantum physics can be spoken with ease...and yet the simple things absolutely escape them.
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Patton a war genius but sucked at real life thought he did have money.
I think it's more a experience thing when you devote your life to something you really devote it to it and become and idiot about everything else.