Posts by Dubby

Just wondering if any bible scholars have read your material or if you have conversed with any scholars. Who, if any, and what did they think of your work? C.O. Jonnson, J. Penton, maybe?

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Hello Everyone

by Scorpion in

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just stopped by to say hi!.

the family is doing great and so are the turtles.

mr.t our 90 year old land tortoise is being shown at a church play tommorrow night.. all of the witnesses have nothing to do with my wife and kids even though none of my kids or wife were baptized as jws.

Dubby

Hey SC. Glad to see you're still around.

"Enjoy God's creation, ride a dirt bike!"

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Hello

by Angharad in

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hi all, thought it was about time i started posting as i have been lurking for so long.

Dubby

Hi, Angharad, I'm pleased to make your aquaintance.

"Enjoy God's creation, ride a dirt bike!"

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Ho Hum, just another JW sex abuse case

by Dubby in

judge blasts church over sex offences .

by michele tydd .

a wollongong judge yesterday launched a scathing attack on the jehovah's.

Dubby

I bought into it too. Just think though, how foolish you'd feel at this point if you still did? Everything naked and exposed for all to see, and so many refuse to wake up.

Path, this is what bothers me. I'm really starting to think that the WTS is just another cult. Why would someone keep following this way of religion knowing full well how detrimental it can be? Of course there are many reasons besides doctrine, Families, loved ones, etc. I guess it's kind of like working at a job you hate, but need the paycheck. But, at some point we need to change jobs. I'm glad that I'm self-employed.

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Ho Hum, just another JW sex abuse case

by Dubby in

judge blasts church over sex offences .

by michele tydd .

a wollongong judge yesterday launched a scathing attack on the jehovah's.

Dubby

What irritates me is how the Society tried to present itself as just about immune to these problems. Naively, I accepted the tripe that they were a "clean" org. when I was young. Many a time did the WTS expound on it's exceptional contrast to the Catholic church and the rest when it comes to morality. At one time I really did believe that the WTS was so vastly different from other religions of the "world". Well, they've been found out. Everything from pedophiles to bogus doctrines. So much for Jehovah's "clean" organization. What a scam.

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Ho Hum, just another JW sex abuse case

by Dubby in

judge blasts church over sex offences .

by michele tydd .

a wollongong judge yesterday launched a scathing attack on the jehovah's.

Dubby

Judge blasts church over sex offences
By MICHELE TYDD
A Wollongong judge yesterday launched a scathing attack on the Jehovah's
Witness congregation at Balgownie, accusing elders of failing to report
child sex abuse.

Judge John Goldring in Wollongong District Court said he was surprised
police had not taken action against the congregation.

``And I wished they had,'' the angry judge said.

The attack came as he sentenced Robert Leslie Souter to five years' jail
for sexual assaults on two teenage boys 20 years ago.

Judge Goldring said congregation elders were told of the sexual assaults
by Souter in 1990 and he was ``disfellowshipped'' or excommunicated five
years later without any further action.

``The moral punishment imposed by a church is not punishment demanded by
law,'' Judge Goldring said.

``I cannot criticise the church sufficiently enough ... it's well known in
these courts that churches are criticised for failing to report criminal
activity.''

``The church may have spiritual responsibility but it does not exceed the
authority of the state,'' Judge Goldring said.

The congregation that met in Balgownie was known as the Corrimal
congregation. It has since moved to Fairy Meadow.

Souter, 46, pleaded guilty to one count of buggery and four counts of
indecent assault.

The court was told the offences took place when Souter and the two victims
were members of the congregation at Balgownie. From 1978 to 1980 Souter
committed at least five offences, four of which were committed on one
victim.

The court heard Souter became known to the boys' families and earned their
trust.

Souter committed the sex acts during outings to the beach and to the Blue
Mountains.

Solicitor for the Crown Ines Chiumento said it had been a major violation
of trust.

Souter's barrister Terry McGill, who defended the congregation saying it
took great pains to care for its flock, told the court his client had
suffered remorse since the offences.

He said Souter's marriage had broken up and he now lived in another state.

Judge Goldring said he reduced the jail sentence taking into account
Souter had been a sex abuse victim. He imposed a non-parole period of
three years.

Presiding elder in the Corrimal congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses, Roger
Graham, said he could not comment about practices 20 years ago.

However, he said the approach the congregation took today was to speak to
victims and offer them support and encouragement to come forward.

``If they choose to take legal action, we give them all the support they
need,'' Mr Graham said.

``It is not up to the church to take that action without victim approval
because it is they who have to face the interrogation and stress of the
matter.''

"Enjoy God's creation, ride a dirt bike!"

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Free to make a friend

by Grunt in

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when i got out of the service and returned home, my parents had studied and become witnesses.

my aunt had been one all of my life but i never thought it would affect my parents.

i was disgusted and surprised.

Dubby

Hi, Grunt.

Freedom. What could be better. Freedom to go and do what you want. Freedom to read the bible, if you want, and get a different understanding than the WTS. Freedom to choose friends for their qualities and not their religion. A very special feeling indeed.

Leaving the WTS almost always involves a price to be paid. Probably more than the price to become a Witness, if there is family involved. It's still better to be free, though.

"Enjoy God's creation, ride a dirt bike!"

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hard rock

by Dubby in

i'm a fan of most hard rock music.

i play guitar for fun, and make up my own tunes.

my stint in the borg delayed me from being able to do something with it.

Dubby

Hey 7, thanks for the link. Very cool!

"Enjoy God's creation, ride a dirt bike!"

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Would like opinions

by Kismet in

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as i have posted previously i am inactive but have disappeared from the ranks quietly.

my jw family know nothing of my departure from the org except that i am not as "zealous" as i once was for the org.. here's the dilemna, my sister's mother in law (a jw) is dying of cancer.

(the docs say she could go today, this week, in two weeks..they just don't know) she is a phenomenal caring person and has always been a kind gentle soul with all she has met.

Dubby

Kismet,

I feel for you in this situation. If it were me, I couldn't do it. Just knowing that if the truth be told(that you appose the WTS), I wouldn't be accepted at the KH. My conscience would bother me too much. Maybe it's playing by the WTS rules, but it is THEIR game and it's the way your sis's mother-in-law believes. Would she be even more heartbroken, or the family, for that matter, if they found out after the funeral that you appose? Would they feel tricked? On the other hand, maybe they would respect you more for putting aside your views of the WTS for this memorial of a woman that thinks a lot of you. I don't know.

Man, this is tough. I don't know what your family situation is, but I would have to level with them. Maybe you could float to her that you and the WTS don't see eye to eye anymore, but you're not df'd or da'd, so maybe she'll take it better than if you told her that you are not a JW.

My best wishes for you in this matter.

-dubby

"Enjoy God's creation, ride a dirt bike!"