south bend, indiana.......home of the fighting irish.
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Posts by dubla
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1975 Reaction
by MadApostate inthis past weekend, one of the few remaining jw relatives who will still discuss jw stuff with me told me about his recently attending a home bible study being conducted by an elder.
evidently, the study had been told or had picked up some info about the 1975 fiasco.
the elder totally denied that the society had stated or even led people to believe that armageddon would occur in 1975, and he naturally blamed some individual jws for misinterpreting the society's materials.
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dubla
to all re: this discussion.........
i too was too young to know what happened in '75 (in fact i was born in '75)....but this is an issue ive heard so much about since ive been recently out of the org. and searching for my own answers. its so true jws claim that it was never an official date when you ask them, that some acted individually, but that it never came from the stage or the fds. my question is, do any of you have access to the actual articles to refute this? ive heard there is an article, i think it was in the theocratic ministry, that stated very plainly and clearly that 1975 was it, time to sell your homes, etc. anyone know which article/articles preached this date??
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Biblical PROOF that Jesus Christ IS GOD
by Bibleboy inbefore i get started, my name is mark whitmore, 20, i live in vancouver, canada, and i am a follower of the way, a true christian, not a jw.
if you reply, please post who you are, how old and what you believe so that i know where you are coming from.
thanks.. now down to business.. strongs' hebrew and greek online:.
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:"In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God" - John 1:1.
There is more in this verse to support the deity of Jesus Christ than one might think. Anyone care to discuss it?.....one could seemingly support christ as a diety in this verse, the problem with this verse supporting the trinity is another issue though.
the words "in the beginning" also refer to the creation on the heavens and the earth in the bible, so this verse certainly implies jesus was present and in existance during initial creation. but.....it does not however support jesus being "always" in existance as god is known to be from various other versus ("alpha and omega", etc.). so........
was jesus "always" here, or was he created? 1 john 3:16 (im sure you are all familiar)....."god gave his only begotten son"......."begotten" coming from the word "beget"....just as cain and able are referred to as begotten of adam, fathered, created. {american heritage dictionary of the english language- "begotten" or "beget": to cause to exist; produce.} so then, one could certainly conclude that jesus was "caused to exist" (not always existing as god) or produced (created), which no doubt implies his obvious inequality with god.
god and jesus are connected, i dont think to many would ever argue that. but does this verse conclusively say jesus and god are equal? im sure most would agree there are many more scriptures that back up jesus being rather on a lower plane than god........certainly he was not praying to himself in the garden, asking himself to "take this cup [of death] away", was he? surely if he and god were equals, he would have known that he planned on following through with the sacrifice, and would have no reason for asking to reverse the process. what sense would this have made to pray for??
thoughts?
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Biblical PROOF that Jesus Christ IS GOD
by Bibleboy inbefore i get started, my name is mark whitmore, 20, i live in vancouver, canada, and i am a follower of the way, a true christian, not a jw.
if you reply, please post who you are, how old and what you believe so that i know where you are coming from.
thanks.. now down to business.. strongs' hebrew and greek online:.
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dubla
bibleboy: Therefore are you supposed to understand your creator 100% ?
lol, i always find it humorous when trinitarians explain the trinity by saying its unexplainable.
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CREATING A BIBLE OR COMPILATION!
by Utopian Reformist inwhile it may seem absurd at first glance, and perhaps offensive, is it not feasible that humans under their own source of inspiration could compile a such a library?.
think of the language used in describing the prophecies and visions in the bible as we know it, and test whether or not you can apply the symbols and images used to a variety of settings, places in history, and recorded events?
if you think about nostradamus, celestine and many other so called "prophecies" that considered some, all or none of the bible, didn't those writings somehow satisfy the curiosities and spiritual needs of certain people?.
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dubla
[email protected] all the history books in the schools today make great paperweights as well?
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To All Here..... just a question....
by 7robert7 ini'm just curious as to how many ex-witnesses here still believe in the god of the bible ?
and how many, due to the societies teachings have given up on god all together ?
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of course god doesnt enjoy watching suffering, the same way a parent doesnt enjoy watching their child grow up to make bad decisions. can a parent prevent their child from bringing harm on themselves? i suppose so, by keeping them locked in the house for eternity. but how obsurd would that be? the parent chooses to let the child make his/her own decisions, and sometimes those decisions are disastrous. how hard it must be for the parent to watch these things unfold. how hard it must be for god to watch man destroy himself.
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To All Here..... just a question....
by 7robert7 ini'm just curious as to how many ex-witnesses here still believe in the god of the bible ?
and how many, due to the societies teachings have given up on god all together ?
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dubla
moe,
thank you, i tried making that point to joel and six, but got no response (i wasnt surprised).
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To All Here..... just a question....
by 7robert7 ini'm just curious as to how many ex-witnesses here still believe in the god of the bible ?
and how many, due to the societies teachings have given up on god all together ?
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six,
lol, yes im very aware of joel's point, but thank you for your concern. here's an example for you both:
were not egyptians allowed to cross the red sea with the israelites, the egyptians that turned and decided to follow god along with his "chosen" people? were they not allowed to join in with the chosen? where was this racist god during that event?
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To All Here..... just a question....
by 7robert7 ini'm just curious as to how many ex-witnesses here still believe in the god of the bible ?
and how many, due to the societies teachings have given up on god all together ?
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as i said before joel, we all came from the same two bodies, (adam and eve), according to the bible, correct? i think youd be hard pressed to find ANY scripture in the bible that shows god rejecting someone who was ernestly and sincerely seeking to live his/her life according to his will (if you do have some examples of this please post them). so in that manner, i guess god has been selective, only choosing those that follow him.
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To All Here..... just a question....
by 7robert7 ini'm just curious as to how many ex-witnesses here still believe in the god of the bible ?
and how many, due to the societies teachings have given up on god all together ?
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joelbear,
:I don't think god would pick one race to be his chosen race (Odd, that the chosen race is the one who wrote the Bible, guess that's a coincidence).
you have an apparent lack of bible knowledge. god does not have a "chosen race" according to the bible. throughout bible times he did have various "chosen people", but there is no evidence that he prefers one race over the other. we all came from the same two people anyhow, thus all of us are essentially the same race in his eyes.
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