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  15 Answers to Creationist Nonsense

  by JanH in

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  scientific american runs an article rebutting some of the most common creationist arguments.

  short and to the point.. this is the first page.

  click for the following ones.. see http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleid=000d4fec-7d5b-1d07-8e49809ec588eedf&catid=2.

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  jan-

  I accept your capitulation.

  lol.

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  15 Answers to Creationist Nonsense

  by JanH in

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  scientific american runs an article rebutting some of the most common creationist arguments.

  short and to the point.. this is the first page.

  click for the following ones.. see http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleid=000d4fec-7d5b-1d07-8e49809ec588eedf&catid=2.

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  If you didn't miss the point of the analogy

  i didnt miss it, i just think its faulty.

  Explain to me why a parent species should necessarily be extinct while a parent need not be dead.

  ive already stated that comparing evolution to a child being born holds no water with me personally. so no explanation needed.

  in a sense....

  three words that wont get you very far when starting out an argumentative statement with them.

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  15 Answers to Creationist Nonsense

  by JanH in

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  scientific american runs an article rebutting some of the most common creationist arguments.

  short and to the point.. this is the first page.

  click for the following ones.. see http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleid=000d4fec-7d5b-1d07-8e49809ec588eedf&catid=2.

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  jan-

  i didnt miss the point as you imagine, and there is no confusion. i understand your stance, and xanders....and you both compare evolving to being born, which is where your analogies fall short with me. im sure it makes perfect sense to you though, just as the apple analogy (skin-meat-core) makes perfect sense to the trinitarian when trying to explain how three can be one and seperate.

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  Paganism is ok when we say it is

  by zenpunk in

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  we all probably know already that jws don't celebrate christmas, labeling it a pagan holiday and telling its whole sordid history to anyone who'll listen.

  however, i found out that wedding rings are pagan in origin.

  the jws know it but they include the exchange of rings during the wedding ceremony, explaining that rings are exchanged as an outward symbol to everyone that this couple is married, thus justifying the pagan origin of the whole thing.

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  calendars.

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  15 Answers to Creationist Nonsense

  by JanH in

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  scientific american runs an article rebutting some of the most common creationist arguments.

  short and to the point.. this is the first page.

  click for the following ones.. see http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleid=000d4fec-7d5b-1d07-8e49809ec588eedf&catid=2.

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  i dont really think it has anything to do with "trying to understand it". your explanation of the analogy leaves the same hole.......youre comparing generations to entire species changes. again, we can watch a new generation being born......we cannot watch monkeys (or whatever species we evolved from) evolving into humans.

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  APOSTATE DUBS----STONE COLD KILLERS?

  by You Know in

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  as part of the sign of his presence, jesus said: "furthermore, brother will deliver brother over to death, and a father a child, and children will rise up against their parents and have them put to death.

  until recently it was difficult to imagine how such a scenario might play itself out in fulfillment of christ's prophecy.

  but, with the ongoing apostasy now accelerating, and the world's financial system rapidly crumbling, and rumors of war a part of daily life, it is becoming increasingly apparent that the stage is being set for jesus' words to become a horrifying reality.

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  i have a bit of a different take on it than you do.....i still argue that yk never even predicted that the u.s. would go to war. he predicted that the financial system would be in a state of war.........as i said, he never even mentioned the united states in his post. then, as soon as it looked like the u.s. was going to war, he switched gears. he wasnt quite careful enough in his deceit though, as he let this slip on page 12 of that thread:

  The reason I inserted the caveat about the financial system being in a state of war or a crash.....

  again, reaffirming that his original bet was that the "financial system" would be in crash down mode, or that the "financial system" would be in a state of war.

  after a few people called him on this point, he originally tried to say that the idea of him stating the financial system would be in a state of war was ridiculous, and that anyone arguing this point must be mentally challenged. he then customarily switched gears, explaining that he did indeed state the financial system would be in a state of war (above quote)....and later on in the thread he reverted back to his original position on the argument, that being he meant the u.s. would be at war, not the financial system. its all just blather really, making every attempt to avoid admitting any error, and of course to avoid paying the bet we all know he lost.

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  Edited by - dubla on 5 August 2002 14:26:49
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  APOSTATE DUBS----STONE COLD KILLERS?

  by You Know in

  1. watchtower
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  as part of the sign of his presence, jesus said: "furthermore, brother will deliver brother over to death, and a father a child, and children will rise up against their parents and have them put to death.

  until recently it was difficult to imagine how such a scenario might play itself out in fulfillment of christ's prophecy.

  but, with the ongoing apostasy now accelerating, and the world's financial system rapidly crumbling, and rumors of war a part of daily life, it is becoming increasingly apparent that the stage is being set for jesus' words to become a horrifying reality.

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  outlaw-

  despite what we all know to be true, yk is now claiming that by "state of war", he actually meant the united states would be at war, even though he hadnt mentioned the united states anywhere up to that point in the post.

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  APOSTATE DUBS----STONE COLD KILLERS?

  by You Know in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  as part of the sign of his presence, jesus said: "furthermore, brother will deliver brother over to death, and a father a child, and children will rise up against their parents and have them put to death.

  until recently it was difficult to imagine how such a scenario might play itself out in fulfillment of christ's prophecy.

  but, with the ongoing apostasy now accelerating, and the world's financial system rapidly crumbling, and rumors of war a part of daily life, it is becoming increasingly apparent that the stage is being set for jesus' words to become a horrifying reality.

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  anytime you see two yk posts back to back (after the thread has scrolled off), its a pretty good sign that hes desperate to keep his precious thread on page one.....especially when you see him responding to someone like tr, who isnt even attempting to add valid arguments to the conversation. oh well....i guess i helped you out a little today yk....youre welcome.

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  15 Answers to Creationist Nonsense

  by JanH in

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  scientific american runs an article rebutting some of the most common creationist arguments.

  short and to the point.. this is the first page.

  click for the following ones.. see http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleid=000d4fec-7d5b-1d07-8e49809ec588eedf&catid=2.

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  i have no desire to argue the creationist points in that article, but i will point out that the writer of the article uses reasoning that is just as nonsensical as the points he is trying to refute. heres an example:

  6. If humans descended from monkeys, why are there still monkeys?

  This surprisingly common argument reflects several levels of ignorance about evolution. The first mistake is that evolution does not teach that humans descended from monkeys; it states that both have a common ancestor.

  The deeper error is that this objection is tantamount to asking, "If children descended from adults, why are there still adults?"

  even proponents of evolution must see how ridiculous of an analogy this is. the question he asks (as if it were analogous to the question hes refuting), bares no relevance to the argument being made, at all. we can visually watch children being born from adults......can we watch humans evolving from "monkeys" or whatever earlier ancestor we supposedly have? im not sure how answering "nonsense" with nonsense really gives solid backing to his argument.

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  Starting Up An Ex JW Self Help Support Group ....

  by Celtic in

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  have you ever thought of starting up and/or facilitating your own ex jw support group?.

  very useful information here:.

  http://www.selfhelp.org.uk/startoff.htm.

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  blondie-

  i thought it was funny.

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