Posts by dubla

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APOSTATE DUBS----STONE COLD KILLERS?

by You Know in

as part of the sign of his presence, jesus said: "furthermore, brother will deliver brother over to death, and a father a child, and children will rise up against their parents and have them put to death.

until recently it was difficult to imagine how such a scenario might play itself out in fulfillment of christ's prophecy.

but, with the ongoing apostasy now accelerating, and the world's financial system rapidly crumbling, and rumors of war a part of daily life, it is becoming increasingly apparent that the stage is being set for jesus' words to become a horrifying reality.

dubla

okay, just one more point, then im outta here for the day:

Yes. That's correct. I said that the present financial system would either crash outright or be in a state of war.

since you keep regurgitating this portion of your wager, let me remind you that the first half of your wager (the half you conveniently forget to mention now) was that the financial system would be in a full blown crisis.....there was no "or" here, that was the first half of your wager, period. the last time i brought this to your attention, you attempted to make me look bad by comparing me with those who break down scriptures and pick out words to split hairs about......bottom line is though, its there in black and white.

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APOSTATE DUBS----STONE COLD KILLERS?

by You Know in

as part of the sign of his presence, jesus said: "furthermore, brother will deliver brother over to death, and a father a child, and children will rise up against their parents and have them put to death.

until recently it was difficult to imagine how such a scenario might play itself out in fulfillment of christ's prophecy.

but, with the ongoing apostasy now accelerating, and the world's financial system rapidly crumbling, and rumors of war a part of daily life, it is becoming increasingly apparent that the stage is being set for jesus' words to become a horrifying reality.

dubla

one more point.....

I didn't lose my bet. The apostates did.

are you now contending that someone actually lost this bet to you? previously you had stated:

As regards my little wager, I won't hold the board to paying off.......for the simple reason that the board did not accept the terms of my bet. Every wager, in order for it to be legitimate, must have a counter-party in order to validate it. As it stands.......there was no consensus on the part of the forum.

so first you say there was never a bet to begin with, because no one accepted your "terms"....and now you are stating there was indeed a valid bet, which you won......which is it? and if there wasnt in fact a legitimate wager, as you originally stated....then who do you imagine you won your bet with, yourself?

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176

APOSTATE DUBS----STONE COLD KILLERS?

by You Know in

as part of the sign of his presence, jesus said: "furthermore, brother will deliver brother over to death, and a father a child, and children will rise up against their parents and have them put to death.

until recently it was difficult to imagine how such a scenario might play itself out in fulfillment of christ's prophecy.

but, with the ongoing apostasy now accelerating, and the world's financial system rapidly crumbling, and rumors of war a part of daily life, it is becoming increasingly apparent that the stage is being set for jesus' words to become a horrifying reality.

dubla

yk-

Back in October and November several apostates were apparently stunned by the turn of events and tried to spin it that I had said that Wall Street was going to war with itself.

i went back and looked through the thread....the only person that i could find that said anything about "wall street..going to war with itself", was in fact you. the only thing the rest of us said was that you predicted the financial system would be in crash down mode, or a state of war.....and i quoted your absurd backtracking and twisting of the issue for all to see on my last post.

Evidently you do care though. You have spent untold hours dealing with my little wager.

as ive stated many times, my exposing of you serves a purpose, and it has very little to do with whether or not i care personally about your wager, or any of your other viewpoints. spending "untold hours" refuting your nonsense does not mean that i take a personal interest in it.

You are lying. LaRouche didnt say Bin Laden didnt have anything to do with 9-11.

well, if he hasnt said that precisely, he has surely implied it....and like i said, after the video where bin laden specifically takes credit for the planning. heres larouches opinion of bin ladens involvement:

this myth of Osama bin Laden, which is a complete fraud: No fact has ever been presented, publicly, in any forum in the world, to give any backing whatsoever, for the allegation that al-Qaeda and Osama bin Laden caused the events of Sept. 11th, in the United States! Not a single bit of evidence, was ever presented, publicly!

i guess i assumed that by calling bin laden a myth, he was implying bin laden didnt have anything to do with 9-11, silly me. also, i love how he shouts at the top of his lungs "not a single bit of evidence, was ever presented, publicly!"....lol, watch the video weve all seen larouche, and calm down.

It wasnt ridiculous.

he was dead wrong....call it what you want, i call it ridiculous.

No its not. Just like it wasnt public knowledge ...

heres a prime example of your deceit tactics....and again, i am happy to serve the purpose of pointing these lies out for the lurkers. here you said that it is not public knowledge that the government cooks its books......but on your previous post, you said:

but now of course it is public knowledge that the government and large corporations have lied and cooked their books

so in one breath you say it is public knowledge, this government book cooking, and the next breath you admit it is not........sometimes i wonder if you simply underestimate every reader out there, and think that no one will catch you in these constant lies and contradictions.

So you admit that the fakery has been going on a long time?

the revisions, yes...and theyve always been public, hardly fakery. again, why no mention of these revisions until now? why werent you screaming about book cooking in 1992 when the gdp was revised downward? because it wasnt book cooking then, and the only reason youre calling it that now is the term "book cooking" is en vogue, and you can toss it around and expect everyone to just accept that indeed it must be true of the government as well......you are transparent.

as far as the y2k thing goes....if larouche was indeed saying all along that it was nothing to worry about, then i commend you for actually going against the larouchepub grain on that issue, even if it did just make you look worse in the grand scheme of predictions.

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Favorite Alcoholic Bevvie?

by The_Bad_Seed in

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lets hear it.

beer, mixed drink, spirits.

my stats:.

dubla

beer: anything dark....amber bock is a good one thats fairly easy on the wallet.....theres really too many good beers to name a favorite though.

mixed: t&t or whiskey&squirt

spirits: glenlivet otr

plm.....that was a joke, right?

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176

APOSTATE DUBS----STONE COLD KILLERS?

by You Know in

as part of the sign of his presence, jesus said: "furthermore, brother will deliver brother over to death, and a father a child, and children will rise up against their parents and have them put to death.

until recently it was difficult to imagine how such a scenario might play itself out in fulfillment of christ's prophecy.

but, with the ongoing apostasy now accelerating, and the world's financial system rapidly crumbling, and rumors of war a part of daily life, it is becoming increasingly apparent that the stage is being set for jesus' words to become a horrifying reality.

dubla

sim (and all)-

yes, hes making it sound as if thats what he meant all along, that the financial system would be in a state of war.....but in fact, his story has changed in order to claim victory. heres some proof, yks quotes in red:

Sep.24th, 2001:

several of us have already pointed out that you specifically predicted the "financial system" to be in a state of war, not the u.s.

You have got to be kidding me. That's hilarious. You are really desperate to discredit me aren't you? Why don't you explain how the financial system can be in a state of war. Now that should really be worth a laugh.

so here we see yk specifically stating that he never predicted the financial system would be in a state of war, even making such a notion sound absolutely preposterous, and that explaining how a financial system could be in a state of war "should really be worth a laugh" (dont worry, he goes on to explain it himself later, lol).

Sep.24th, 2001:

You said the financial system would be at war, and we've been questioning you ever since how that could even be possible.

If you think that's what I meant you are more of an idiot than I even imagined. But the case could be made that the financial system is in a state of war in that it is reacting to the future prospects for war...

so now we see yk once again claiming that its ridiculous to assume he meant anything about the financial system being in a state of war, but in the same breath explaining how in fact that could be possible......the story starts to change already, see?.......

Sep.25th, 2001:

Other more mentally challenged individuals claim that I meant to say that the financial system would go to war with itself, that I didn't mean to say that the markets would be in a state of war because the world would be in an atmosphere of war.......

OH OF COURSE....now hes implying that he meant the markets would be in a state of war, because the world would be in an atmosphere of war.....okay, i got it now i think........

Sep.25th, 2001:

The reason I inserted the caveat about the financial system being in a state of war....

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=11029&site=3&page=12

ah yes, this brings us up to date with his final implication, that he said all along the financial system would be in a state of war....of course, duh. isnt it funny how in only two days, he went from specifically stating what a preposterous idea this was, to embracing it as what he meant all along? that wacky yk........always good for a laugh or two.

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Edited by - dubla on 6 August 2002 14:27:48

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APOSTATE DUBS----STONE COLD KILLERS?

by You Know in

as part of the sign of his presence, jesus said: "furthermore, brother will deliver brother over to death, and a father a child, and children will rise up against their parents and have them put to death.

until recently it was difficult to imagine how such a scenario might play itself out in fulfillment of christ's prophecy.

but, with the ongoing apostasy now accelerating, and the world's financial system rapidly crumbling, and rumors of war a part of daily life, it is becoming increasingly apparent that the stage is being set for jesus' words to become a horrifying reality.

dubla

yk-

Ah, the old bait and switch. I thought we were talking about My Little Wager?

it wasnt bait and switch, as i addressed your "little wager" in the next breath.....i just have a hard time passing up on opportunities to bring attention to your track record.

As for Doug Machintosh's Memorial Day Meltdown prediciton that was his, not mine.

well, true...ill give you that. but the fact is, we all know you post those links as if larouchepub.com is the gospel.....and you regularly regurgitate their viewpoints here. i guess when you post a link to a nutcase making memorial day predictions, you appear to be agreeing with him.

What is laughable is that you fools have tried to interpret my little wager to mean that Wall Street was going to war with itself.

another attempt at discrediting me through outright lies. i have never made this statement or implication about "wall street...going to war with itself" as you have so many times accused me of. thats just nonsense you toss around that i dont think any of us actually said.....its your little invention to make everyone else sound preposterous. the fact of the matter is, no one knew exactly what you meant by the "financial system" being in "a state of war".....and the fact is also that you were asked many times to better define your wager, and given plenty of ample opportunity to say "what i mean is, the u.s. will go to war, OR the financial system will crash", if indeed thats what you meant. you always refused these requests, knowing that further narrowing your prediction would only put you at a greater risk of error.....and would only expound on your meaning after 9-11(of course the easiest time to do so). like i said though, either way it wont matter a year from now when your financial meltdown scenarios will only look that much more ridiculous. what you originally meant by the financial system being in a state of war, we may never know.....nor will we ever care, lol.

I have had many a good laugh over your antics.

i think you just said it for all of us....a big ditto.

Americans are such fools. You are too.

i am an american, so no need for the redundant insult.

But, yet for being so in the dark the day after 9-11 the government said the Bin Laden was the man, no doubt about it. No investigation was needed. That's simply incredible.

its not incredible at all....the guy has been behind numerous attacks (perhaps youve been sleeping under a rock), and his whole organization is constantly being watched.......identifying and tracing the hijackers back to bin laden isnt exactly a lengthy process. what i love is how larouche still contends that bin laden is an invention that had nothing to do with the attacks, and thats even after bin laden himself took credit for the attacks, on video. oh yes, im sure the anglo-american establishment staged the video, with actors reading lines....no better yet, bin laden himself acting out the part, and then going back to work in his f.b.i. office, no one the wiser.

That's simply incredible. Now, though, Rumsfeld is saying that Bin Laden isn't important.

hes not the only piece...and everyone realizes that his regime will live on long after hes dead anyhow. so in the grand scheme of things, as far as slowing terrorism, bin laden as an individual really isnt that important. this is simple stuff that is apparently complicated for you.....thus the need for the intricate conspiracy scenarios.

So, yeah, your world is run from the top down by professional liars.

the same could be said of you......right from the first watchtower ever printed.

At some point you are going to have to face that harsh reality in a way that you cannot imagine at the moment.

i can imagine being burned alive from the fire balls falling out of the sky....which part is it that you think i cannot imagine?

Back then there was that little thing called the Asian Crisis which was the beginning of the collapse that has been ongoing. LaRouche said back then that the only reason the system was staying together...

talk about a bait and switch......it really doesnt make a lick of difference what reason larouche gave after 1997 came and went, proving his ridiculous prediction to be rubbish. the fact is, he put his name on the line, and flat out said that 1997 would not come and go without financial meltdown....and he was dead wrong. he can go back now and give whatever reasons he wants, much the way you do when your key dates come and go. of course, he contends that he has never been wrong about any financial prediction, which may be the most laughable part of it all.

but now of course it is public knowledge that the government...........have lied and cooked their books

why do you insist on trying to decieve the average reader out there every chance you get? is it just because you know most people will merely skim over your comments, without actually researching them? it is not "public knowledge" by any means that the government has "cooked their books". if you are referring to the benchmark revision again, let me reiterate that revisions in gdp and economic data have been going on long before you and larouche ever started screaming about book cooking......and many of these revisions have been downward revisions. (why was there no great outcry of "cover up" when the gdp was revised downward in 1992?) it has nothing to do with uncovering government book cooking as you imagine.

Actually Larouche said that the whole Y2K thing was a fraud intended to pump up tech spending to fuel the Nasdaq bubble, which of course blew out a couple of months into Y2K. / You Know

he said this before y2k? what was the date on this article, where he made this statement about y2k fraud? im just wondering why you didnt jump on his bandwagon, if indeed he had it figured out way before it ever happened.

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15 Answers to Creationist Nonsense

by JanH in

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scientific american runs an article rebutting some of the most common creationist arguments.

short and to the point.. this is the first page.

click for the following ones.. see http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleid=000d4fec-7d5b-1d07-8e49809ec588eedf&catid=2.

dubla

I think humans have instincts that are WAY different then any other creature. And I think it's for a reason.

thats natural selection for you......just think of the hightened instincts our future offspring will have....i wonder what we are currently evolving into? maybe a super-human species thatll make humans seem like monkeys in comparison.....who knows.

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APOSTATE DUBS----STONE COLD KILLERS?

by You Know in

as part of the sign of his presence, jesus said: "furthermore, brother will deliver brother over to death, and a father a child, and children will rise up against their parents and have them put to death.

until recently it was difficult to imagine how such a scenario might play itself out in fulfillment of christ's prophecy.

but, with the ongoing apostasy now accelerating, and the world's financial system rapidly crumbling, and rumors of war a part of daily life, it is becoming increasingly apparent that the stage is being set for jesus' words to become a horrifying reality.

dubla

yk-

The problem, as I see it, is that most of you simply refuse to acknowledge that I was right.

yes, youve been right all along....you were right about the central banks going bankrupt in january, and your link about the "memorial day meltdown" was also right on the money. you havent missed a prediction yet, come to think of it.

So, for the past year, periodically, you and others have felt it necessary to try and interpret what I meant and what I didn't mean as regards my little wager. That's what is laughable.

i dont think its necessary to "interpret" your wager at all....i think you spelled it out in black and white, and reaffirmed what you meant on page 12 (as i stated already), that the financial system would be in either crash down mode, or a state of war by the end of october. theres nothing to interpret really....anyone who wants to can go look for themselves, and see that you switched gears and would now have us believe that you really meant the u.s. was going to war, lol.....now thats laughable. either way, it really makes no difference......by next year this time itll just be two years removed from your little wager, and youll be searching for new "proofs" of why the financial system is going to crash "any day now".........laughable indeed.

9-11 was made to order for the Anglo-American establishment

well of course....9-11 was planned by the ango-american establishment, right? and osama bin laden had absolutely nothing to do with it, according to you and larouche......so of course it was made to order.

So, that's why you have the incessant talk about invading Iraq..........They need a war, desperately. But, if the system blows before they attack Iraq....

this wouldnt be yk covering his own ass would it? sounds to me like youre already providing yourself with a little time insurance......as in, when we attack iraq, youll be telling us how the war is "temporarily propping up the system", and that surely itll blow soon......truly laughable.

LaRouche is saying the financial system is gonna blow before October. So, we will see.

he was saying it would blow "no later than 1997" at one time too, so "we will see" is right. (was he also telling you that y2k was going to blow the system? just wondering.....i havent had the time or desire really, to go back into the larouche archives and find out what he was saying about y2k.....i imagine it was much like your take though, as you usually parrot larouchepub articles almost to a tee.) of course, then there was one of his goons tellings us not that long ago, that the system would surely crack by memorial day, due to japan dumping all of its u.s. equities......i wonder why that never happened? maybe he got his japan liquidation sale dates mixed up? oh well.

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APOSTATE DUBS----STONE COLD KILLERS?

by You Know in

as part of the sign of his presence, jesus said: "furthermore, brother will deliver brother over to death, and a father a child, and children will rise up against their parents and have them put to death.

until recently it was difficult to imagine how such a scenario might play itself out in fulfillment of christ's prophecy.

but, with the ongoing apostasy now accelerating, and the world's financial system rapidly crumbling, and rumors of war a part of daily life, it is becoming increasingly apparent that the stage is being set for jesus' words to become a horrifying reality.

dubla

yk-

I just have to laugh at the fools who are still debating over a thread I started almost a year ago. / You Know

well, im not sure debating is the right term, but i do think its extremely beneficial to re-post past lies youve been caught in to educate the newbies.....the examples can be a year old, or 5 years old, they still get the point accross. i personally will have no problem bringing that thread back up a year from now......it only looks more and more ridiculous as time goes on. i only wish i had access to your y2k ravings...theyd be almost as humorous to display as larouche shouting about how the global financial system was going to crash "no later than" 1997, LOL.

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15 Answers to Creationist Nonsense

by JanH in

jw
friends

scientific american runs an article rebutting some of the most common creationist arguments.

short and to the point.. this is the first page.

click for the following ones.. see http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleid=000d4fec-7d5b-1d07-8e49809ec588eedf&catid=2.

dubla

jan-

Grunt,
Lost the discussion, so now you want to start a flame war instead?
Your original messages were extremely ignorant and stupid.....

personally i dont think grunt was trying to start a flame war, he was just pointing out how unnecessary it is to insult anyone and everyone who stands in the path of your arguments, and how these constant insults actually detract from your perceived intelligence. ive noticed this about you too as of late.....you truly are sounding more and more like you know every day. some similarities:

you both dismiss all opposers arguments as "stupid", "ignorant", and of course "unworthy" of response.....you both insert insults into handles (drooling about how clever it will look once posted)......you both erroneously claim victory on a regular basis......you both claim that youve somehow lowered yourself to another level by responding to unworthy posters......you both engage in stereotyping........you both ignore what you have no response for (selective rebuttals).......and of course you both resort to schoolyard namecalling in a pathetic attempt at discrediting.

someone needs to get through to both of you about the importance of delivery. you can be the most educated person in the world and still come off like a complete ass if you treat everyone that doesnt agree with you like the scum on your shoe bottoms. (ass: a vain, self-important, silly, or aggressively stupid person.)

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Edited by - dubla on 5 August 2002 16:51:45