Posts by dubla

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Wish You Were Here

by DakotaRed in

for all the free people that still protest.

we protect you and you are protected by the best.

your voice is strong and loud, .

dubla

Your voice is strong and loud,
but who will fight for you?
No one standing in your crowd.

oh, they will fight............more violence in the name of "peace":

"Some people were blocking port property and the port authorities asked us to move them off," said Deputy Police Chief Patrick Haw. "Police moved aggressively against crowds because some people threw rocks and big iron bolts at officers."

Police spokeswoman Danielle Ashford said officers fired bean-bag rounds and wooden dowels. They also used "sting balls," which send out a spray of BB-sized rubber pellets and a cloud of tear gas.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,83441,00.html

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U.S. Say It May Have Found Iraqi WMD Storage Site

by Yizuman in

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from: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20030407/ts_nm/iraq_usa_cache_dc&cid=564&ncid=1473.

near baghdad (reuters) - u.s. biological and chemical weapons experts believe they may have found an iraqi storage site for chemical weapons, a u.s. officer told reuters on monday.

a military source who declined to be identified said there were unconfirmed reports there could be sarin -- a highly lethal nerve agent that causes death by suffocation -- at the site.

dubla

iraq doesnt have any wmd, and if this discovery is confirmed it just proves that the u.s. has planted evidence to support its case against the regime. its all lies and propaganda....everyone knows saddam wouldnt hurt a flea.

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Wish You Were Here

by DakotaRed in

for all the free people that still protest.

we protect you and you are protected by the best.

your voice is strong and loud, .

dubla

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center-right channels such as CNN

LMAO.

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SEE THE REAL FACE OF THE WAR IN IRAQ, SEE THE HORROR

by justhuman in

since the media in u.s show nothing about the war in iraq, and bush's administration censor everything that is "bad' for the puplic, here are some shocking photos of how bush is setting free the iraqi people.

similar view of how watchtower's god will treat everyone who disagrees with them in armageddon.

bush does not care about the iraqi people.

dubla

FACT: Things are not being reported very well in the USA and are very "one sided". We know from talking to friends over there who are amazed at the things we tell them have been on the news here.

i like how the word fact is followed up here with an opinion.....tricky. afa the u.s. media being "one sided", have you watched cnn at all? i agree its one sided....AGAINST the war. yesterday a few of my friends were over, and we checked out cnn for a bit.....it was simply amazing how every main point that was being stressed had to do with civilian casualties, friendly fire, opposition to the war, etc.......its expected to be this way, as cnn has always been notoriously left handed.....but i cant see how the antiwar crowd complains about this type of reporting. if youd like to see some ammunition against the u.s. and their handling of the war, just turn on cnn for an hour.

i keep hearing these constant complaints about reporting, media propaganda, bias, etc..........the actual FACT is: information on this war is getting to the population at record speeds, and todays technology dictates that this is the most widely covered war in history. a battle takes place, and 10 minutes later there are pictures on the internet and blasted all over the news channels. civilians get killed, and we know about it immediately. with information moving at light speed, it is impossible to "cover up" anything that happens in this war. cnn even shows al jazeera news reports on a regular basis! there are reporters embedded, giving live reports as the action takes place, including civilian casualties, and still we get the constant screams of "propaganda!"...............i guess until we get actual footage of civilian arms and legs getting torn from their bodies, we will still have cries for fair coverage.

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Will Saddam get caught?

by JH in

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now they don't know if saddam is still in baghdad or if he fled out of iraq.

do you think that saddam will be as hard to catch as bin ladden?

dubla

realist-

dubla,
you forget that bush has to sell his BS to the public. same is true for blair.

yes, indeed "selling" to the public is an important piece of the puzzle, which only reinforces my opinion that he wouldnt have been killed had he left peacefully. how could we possibly justify it to the public? saddam leaves peacefully, averts war, gives up power, and we hunt him down and kill him......hmmm, tough sell imo.

thanks for the article......it also reinforced some of my points......

i like this comment from mubarak-

The era of secrets is over. Today's world is a world with no secrets and everything is known, monitored and followed."

basically just what i was saying.....if there were any negotiations, they wouldve been made public. there werent any because of saddams unwillingness to even CONSIDER it..........which is also backed up in the article:

Tariq Aziz, Saddam's longtime deputy prime minister, laughed when asked about the prospect of Saddam going into exile.

"Saddam Hussein is a brave leader and a hero, and will remain in his country for a long time, God willing, and will fight until the last Iraqi bullet is fired. We are in it with him," Aziz told BBC radio.

and.....

"At the same time, I don't think we're counting on it," Boucher added. "We're not engaged in any deep or serious discussions on the subject at this point since he's indicated no particular willingness to do that." (bold/italics mine)

we can only speculate at this point what may or may not have happened had he left. there is that possibility that he wouldve been killed, but imo, simple logic says otherwise. either way, saddam made it clear to all that he would never leave, so the official negotiations never took place.

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Will Saddam get caught?

by JH in

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now they don't know if saddam is still in baghdad or if he fled out of iraq.

do you think that saddam will be as hard to catch as bin ladden?

dubla

realist-

just out of curiosity what would you have expected saddam to do after the TV offer?

if youre speaking of the bush tv 48 hr. ultimatum, i expected him to do nothing, as it was realistically a little late for travel plans. if youre speaking of the many previous offers, and encouragement from the arab nations for him to leave, then.........its pretty simple. he listens to the arab nations asking him to leave, and works out a deal privately with one of them for exile (as i have noted earlier, many arab nations were said to have offered him exile, but didnt wish for it to be made public)....then, once the deal is made, the u.s. is brought into the equation, and they work on a "gauranteed safety" promise that everyone can accept to avoid war (do you really think wed publicly say we would welcome and aid his departure, and then make fools out of ourselves by killing him once he left?). again, if these talks had ever taken place, it would have been in the best interest of the u.s. to make them public, as this would weaken saddams stance to his people in a large way.

ok lets say saddam would have left what official reason could bush have invented to march into iraq? invading an independet country because its government stepped down?

well, number one, there would still be the small matter of finding his wmd. i suppose we could have left the ~~stooges~~ inspectors there to search for a few decades, but im sure at that point the armed forces could do a slightly more thorough search. then, theres the matter of implementing an interim government, which the u.s./u.k. would still have a strong case to head up initially (with u.n. help), considering we were the ones that stationed our 300,000 troops over there for months in order to put the pressure on saddam to leave, even when the world wouldnt help us pressure him......thats not cheap btw, it does cost $$ to station the troops there and prepare for war. not to mention making damn sure no remnants of the regime were waiting back to take control after saddams exit. besides....the war we are currently in is considered "illegal" to most of the anti-war side, yet we are doing it arent we? so if there was a strong majority that opposed the u.s. temporarily occupying iraq, calling it "illegal", do you think it wouldve made any difference to us? are you naive enough to think that if we really wanted control of that country, we wouldnt have found a "valid" reason to go in and take it? im not saying that i personally believe we want control of iraq, but with the antiwar logic, we were going to take it no matter what, whether saddam left or stayed, whether are actions are legal or illegal.......so use your own logic, and youll see it wouldve made no difference had saddam left peacefully.

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TERRORISTS THANK AMERICAN PROTESTERS

by DakotaRed in

terrorists thank american protesters

by: benedict arnett with special arrangement of al jerksrah news service.

wednesday 02 april 2003

dubla

abaddon-

And, as I suspected, you're implying you knew it was satire. Well, if it makes you happy to believe that, fine, but I believe you thought you were just 'proving' your 'point'.
Very funny... I've shared this with quite a few people and every single one has said something like, "Yeah, if he'd known it was a joke article he'd of made sure people knew he knew, 'cause otherwise he'd make himself look SO stupid"

hopefully im just missing your own humor here...but youre not serious, right? are you actually accusing someone of not only reading this article, but also posting it.....all the while NOT knowing it was satire? anyone with a gradeschool level of intelligence would read it one time, get to this part......

A self professed suicide bomber, I Bin Farteen, perpetrator of several silent but deadly attacks

and realize its a joke, probably bursting into laughter (and thats only if you made it past the first fake name). as far as making sure "people knew he knew", posters start satire threads ALL THE TIME without labeling them as such....if you label it satire, it kind of ruins the whole joke....duh. i cant believe anyone would actually accuse the poster of thinking it was a serious article.....thats got to be one of the most desperate attempts at discrediting someone ive seen to date.......again, hopefully im just missing your own jab here, and this wasnt a true accusation.

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"They take you in there and you never come out."

by expatbrit in

some have stayed in solitary confinement for long periods of time.

he was taken back to the prison.

they are reported to be still detained at the general intelligence prison in basra.

dubla

h s-

again you make me stop and look at issues in a different light. thank you for sharing your story......looking at opinions through that analogy does bring to mind some alternate possibilities, on all issues...the war included of course. certainly the honest views of the arab world could influence agendas, no doubt.....so whos starting the thread? other possibilities of underlying motive/agenda immediately popped to mind after reading your post.......some may have been personally wronged/affected by...9/11, authority figures in general, past wars, the u.s. government, etc.......interesting.

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TERRORISTS THANK AMERICAN PROTESTERS

by DakotaRed in

terrorists thank american protesters

by: benedict arnett with special arrangement of al jerksrah news service.

wednesday 02 april 2003

dubla

Mmmm, how can a suicide bomber make several attacks?

um, thats what makes it funny......in a steven wright kind of way.

good humor is lost on some.

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'You didn't fire a warning shot soon enough!'

by William Penwell in

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a journalist's account of the killing of a car full of iraqi civilians by us soldiers differs widely from the official military version, says brian whitaker .

tuesday april 1, 2003 .

the invasion forces suffered another self-inflicted disaster in the battle for hearts and minds yesterday when soldiers from the us 3rd infantry division shot dead iraqi seven women and children.

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So your saying you wouldn't be pissed, and do anything, if your family was just wiped out, by the supposed liberating force?

even though this is a ridiculous hypothetical, ill continue to humor it. if youre speaking of the people in the van, i wouldnt have taken my family out of the basement to begin with, so they wouldnt have ever been "wiped out" by the liberating force. i suppose a missle could fly off target and land in our basement, killing us all...but at that point i wouldnt need to fight anyone, as id most likely be dead. now, do i need to discuss what i would do on the off chance that my entire family was wiped out by an off target missle, and i survived? or can we end the nonsense here? lol.........also, i echo tyys comments, in that we dont allow murderous dictators to rule our country in the first place, so technically wed never need a liberating force....wed liberate ourselves.

william-

Yes it is like comparing apples with oranges or comparing Christians with Muslims. We begin to comprehend what those people are feeling. Objectively speaking, reports show that even though some of the Kurds and Shiites are happy to see the end of Saddams government, they still do not want a foreign power putting in leaders that will dictate to them. They want to be able to choose there own form of government. Why isn't this what democracy is all about?

perhaps you havent been paying attention to the plans for post-war iraq. the idea from the u.s. is to institute a governement where the shiites and kurds are a part of it, where all the people of iraq indeed do have a voice in the government. and yes, this is what democracy is all about.

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