Posts by dubla

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WoMD ... so where are they?

by Simon in

now, the war is over, the weapons were not used and of course have not been found.. how threatening could they be if they did not even use them when being invaded by a massive force (of the countries they hate)?!

perhaps, as many suspect, they didn't use them because they didn't have them?.

now we're being told that we'll have to be patient and give them time to find them.

dubla

realist-

so its only during a military conflict, or all the time?

and was that the answer to my question then? you do think clinton "controlled" the media before bush became president?

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Patriot Act reaches out and touches ME !!!

by Amazing in

yes, folks ... i was shocked, horrified, and dumbfounded by what took place this evening.

a chapter right out of george orwell's 1984 ... big brother listens in for quality assurance.

even my radical right-wing conservative republican sensibilities were shaken to the ground.

dubla

i for one am completely terrified......any minute now there are going to be governement officials breaking down my door and carting me away....for no good reason! the entire u.s. is going to be one big concentration camp before its all over! what are we to do????

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865

WoMD ... so where are they?

by Simon in

now, the war is over, the weapons were not used and of course have not been found.. how threatening could they be if they did not even use them when being invaded by a massive force (of the countries they hate)?!

perhaps, as many suspect, they didn't use them because they didn't have them?.

now we're being told that we'll have to be patient and give them time to find them.

dubla

realist-

you do realize that the mass media in the US is controlled largely by bush and not the opposition right?

im just curious as to your opinion on this....who "controlled" the media before bush entered the white house? clinton?

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Will America Ever Be Able To Beat England?

by Englishman in

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friends

it seems that americans are keen to get amongst the big boys when it comes to soccer skills as can be seen from the embedded page futher down this post.. however, i have a sneaky feeling that americans might well be lacking in the genetic skills department when it comes to actually understanding the finer points of the noble art of soccer, let alone having any natural aptitude for the game.

this is a an excerpt from a book by bill bryson, a very popular american author who keeps us brits amused for hours with his experiences of living in england.this is bill's account of his first ever attempt to play soccer:.

"i had watched football (soccer) on tv and i thought i had a fair idea of what was required, so when one of the team lofted a ball in my direction, i decided to flick it casually into the net with my head, the way i had seen kevin keegan do it.

dubla

Will The US ever be able to compete against the big boys in the World of Football?

the bigger question is: do we care?

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WoMD ... so where are they?

by Simon in

now, the war is over, the weapons were not used and of course have not been found.. how threatening could they be if they did not even use them when being invaded by a massive force (of the countries they hate)?!

perhaps, as many suspect, they didn't use them because they didn't have them?.

now we're being told that we'll have to be patient and give them time to find them.

dubla

pleasure-

what you spout out dubla is regurgitated BS from politicians, there's nothing solid about that.

i was specifically talking about the quotes i provided from the iaea....and yes they are solid testimonies, or are you calling into question the opinions of the iaea now as well? boy, theres no such thing as an "expert" in your eyes, is there? unless of course its someone talking of fairy tales and secret cover-ups.

and links to what so-called 'respected individuals', means we have to believe whatever they say does it, even when they cant back up what they say?
to suggest that publishing this material if it is 'a how to' manual, would allow rogue countries to build nukes is completely absurd.

personally, i think the iaea is qualified to make the judgement on that.....and id imagine that the reason there are 136 member states of the iaea is because they also believe the experts are qualified in their field. you can reject it as "absurd", but it wont make it so.

a bit about the iaea staff:

C. The staff shall include such qualified scientific and technical and other personnel as may be required to fulfill the objectives and functions of the Agency. The Agency shall be guided by the principle that its permanent staff shall be kept to a minimum.

D. The paramount consideration in the recruitment and employment of the staff and in the determination of the conditions of service shall be to secure employees of the highest standards of efficiency, technical competence, and integrity. Subject to this consideration, due regard shall be paid to the contributions of members to the Agency and to the importance of recruiting the staff on as wide a geographical basis as possible.

http://www.iaea.org/worldatom/Documents/statute.html#A1.7

but of course, these so-called experts dont know as much about building a nuclear bomb as you do, right? im sure youre more qualified to say whether or not those pages should be released to the public, i cant figure out why they just didnt consult you instead.

do you think that these nations dont know how to do it already?

oh, of course they do....everyone knows its as simple as sending in 3 proofs of purchase from any kellogs brand cereal to get the full nuclear instruction manual.......allow four to six weeks for delivery.

you're the one who's always talking about this crap. your posts span over 22 pages, and you dont humour, you just bore the pants off people. reading your posts is like watching CNN.

make it 23....and i never claimed to be some sort of exciting poster. again, facts and real sources cant compete with your conspiracy websites on the excitement scale. here you are again crying about boredom. the last time i checked, no one is forcing you to read my posts.....yet here you are, you cant drag yourself away, and you just have to keep replying. whether or not you like my style of posting is right around dead last on my list of "things to worry about", but i do appreciate your input nonetheless.....consider it noted.

you cant prove anything, so give it a rest.

and you can prove just as much....yet youre still here, and youre not "giving it a rest", are you? again, no one is forcing you to read or contribute to this thread. youve got the freedom of choice, so if im so bothersome to you, use it.

but no, anyone who comes on here with different opinion to yours has to go through the dubla treatment of the endless slime of official stories and quotes with no proof.

actually, thats the farthest thing from the truth. in fact, theres been a bunch of posters on here who disagree with me that i havent even addressed. again ill remind you, it was YOU who confronted ME on the issue....but i guess i was supposed to ignore you.?. ill keep that in mind next time. it does seem quite curious though, that youve felt this way about my posts, and have been bored out of your mind, yet you still felt the need to strike up a discussion with me..? hmm.....strange way of showing your disgust with someone.

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Who Is Your Top American?

by expatbrit in

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friends

the bbc is conducting a poll to find people's opinion on the most important personage in american history.. a short list of the top ten nominees will be posted on the website tomorrow, and then you can vote on your choice from those ten.. here is the link: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/wtwta/2957480.stm.

happy voting!.

expatbrit

dubla

Grow up children
It's called sarcasm.

really? wow, thanks for the clarification....and here i thought gwb was really your fav. american.

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WoMD ... so where are they?

by Simon in

now, the war is over, the weapons were not used and of course have not been found.. how threatening could they be if they did not even use them when being invaded by a massive force (of the countries they hate)?!

perhaps, as many suspect, they didn't use them because they didn't have them?.

now we're being told that we'll have to be patient and give them time to find them.

dubla

t h-

You people can go round and round, but this is the one fact that still remains, there has been NO WMD found yet.

i agree....and im happy to just wait it out until the issue answers itself....but there are posters on here bound and determined to continue discussing it on a daily basis, so i just humor them by keeping a voice from the other side on here.......otherwise its "looks like the prowar crowd is silent all of a sudden, LOL".

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WoMD ... so where are they?

by Simon in

now, the war is over, the weapons were not used and of course have not been found.. how threatening could they be if they did not even use them when being invaded by a massive force (of the countries they hate)?!

perhaps, as many suspect, they didn't use them because they didn't have them?.

now we're being told that we'll have to be patient and give them time to find them.

dubla

realist-

as far as i know the russians located the chechnyan leader via his cell phone and killed him with a GPS guided missile while he was still on the phone.

ive heard this, and ive also heard that a lot of the terrorists are using cell phones and equimpent now that are much harder to trace, and even intercept. im far from an expert in technology, so maybe someone else could jump in here and shed some light on it....like i said, maybe im the naive one. do you have any facts about the current technology? as search asked, would it have been reasonable that we couldve simply pinpointed the location of the people on that tape powell presented? that still wouldnt prove they were calling from the weapons sites, but id be interested to know regardless.

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865

WoMD ... so where are they?

by Simon in

now, the war is over, the weapons were not used and of course have not been found.. how threatening could they be if they did not even use them when being invaded by a massive force (of the countries they hate)?!

perhaps, as many suspect, they didn't use them because they didn't have them?.

now we're being told that we'll have to be patient and give them time to find them.

dubla

pleasure-

yes that's right, i'm just as full of $hit as you are.

youve got me beat by a long shot. at least ive provided solid sources from respected indivuals in their field.......all youve provided is blather, conjecture, and "scooby doo"-like mystery possibilities.

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WoMD ... so where are they?

by Simon in

now, the war is over, the weapons were not used and of course have not been found.. how threatening could they be if they did not even use them when being invaded by a massive force (of the countries they hate)?!

perhaps, as many suspect, they didn't use them because they didn't have them?.

now we're being told that we'll have to be patient and give them time to find them.

dubla

search-

okay...your post assumes quite a bit, but ill reply to what i can, with my personal opinions.

How is it that if the administration knew that the order had been given to deploy chemical weapons, they did not know where these WMD would be stored?

i never heard that the administration "knew that the order had been given".....i remember announcements that it was possible, but i dont remember them saying they knew for a fact....either youre twisting the facts here, or i just completely missed it....in which case a link might be helpful.

When the US bribed senior military officers not to defend Baghdad and gave them safe passage out of Iraq, why was the location of these chemical weapons not provided to the US as part of the payoff plan?

i didnt even know that had been confirmed. again, a link might help here.

Could the Iraqi officers deploy WMD without knowing where to go and get them?

i dont see how.

And remember, it has been reported that Iraq had the capability of deploying WMD within 45 minutes of that command. Someone had to know where to go to obey that command. Didn't they?

again, i dont know that any of those reports of "orders" have ever been confirmed. links?

If the Collin Powell telephone intercepts presented to the UN were authentic, why couldn't the intelligence community trace the location of these intercepts and secure those sites after the invasion of Iraq?

perhaps youre a little bit naive in the ways of tracing cell phone satellite intercepts....or perhaps i am. maybe you could provide some facts showing that this would be possible? im unaware of it.

And whatever happened to those big missiles he showed us?

which missiles? a link please?

How is it that the administration was able to know the whereabouts of Saddam and launch the initial bunker attack that started the war, and yet this "source" within the inner circle of power never provided WMD location data that was crucial not only to safety of the world but to the safety of our military personnel who were about to invade Iraq?

i think youre smart enough to know the answer to this one; maybe you just asked it for fun. getting a leak from downtown baghdad, say a person walking on the street that just witnessed saddam and his senior officials entering a building, is quite a bit different than that same person just happening to notice someone working on a secret chemical weapons site.....wouldnt you say? some of these assertions are so far out in left field that im hoping youre just kidding.

Now this same administration says we must be patient because it will take time to find these WMD that they used to know the whereabouts of, but must now guess and search.

ive covered this one with simon, and i think the entire antiwar crowd simply ignores my responses to this one....sort of a "hands over the ears" tactic. the fact is that we didnt know exactly where anything was before the war, and never claimed to. colin powell presented what was supposedly wmd sites that had been cleaned and moved (to where? no one ever said) before the war. was powells intelligence accurate? i dont think that has been established yet....maybe, maybe not. either way, no one ever claimed to know the exact whereabouts of the sites before the war.....if they would have, it wouldve been simple to bomb the hell out of them, i would think.

Ahmed Chalabi and other sources insist that Saddam Hussein is still alive and hiding in Iraq. It seems to me if that is true, then surely he and his surviving supporters know where to get the remaining WMD and use them against the occupying forces.

if that is true, then yes, id agree with you....to an extent. the country is currently being run by the u.s and u.k., so it would be pretty difficult to get to these weapons, i would think. but possibly if there was a remote enough location.

Are our soldiers in danger?

could very well be. chalabi has also stated that saddam is offering a bounty for any dead soldiers, so if his story is true, i think we would have to assume a certain amount of danger.....especially with conventional weapons.

How is it that a nuclear waste site was left unguarded and subject to looting without regard to possible contamination, even as the US military previously found and guessed this site was part of the "secret" nuclear weapons program?

actually the site you speak of, al tuwaitha, was a known nuclear site, not a "secret" site as you said. how was it left unguarded? someone dropped the ball.....a pretty scary drop too, considering the implications. i saw a stat on that, something like 98% of the materials had been found/recovered, but still, definitely a mistake in planning somewhere up the line.

After the capture of various Iraqi high officials and scientists, how is it that no WMD locations have been revealed thus far? Are these officials so uncooperative and able to resist all interrogation that there is no hope of getting answers?

well, i think they did lead them to the only find so far, the mobile biolabs......and i know there are a large number of sites being searched on an ongoing basis just on these leads alone. some of them probably do resist interrogation, but i would think that wed find something off of their leads.....if we dont eventually, then my beliefs about the extent of saddams wmd will be proven to be exaggerated. i certainly dont think im above being incorrect on the amounts he had left........after all, ive never seen any of his wmd first hand, its only been logic and common sense thats lead me to my opinion on it.

If as Rumsfeld now claims, Iraq may have destroyed the WMD at the last possible moment in order to embarrass the US, how is it that satellite photos and other intelligence technology failed to notice such large scale efforts? Wouldn't it take major activity and trailers, and Lord knows what else, to destroy the vast quantities of chemical weapons supposedly in stock? And how were these destroyed? Burned and incinerated? Would not the air quality samples around Iraq reflect these chemicals and toxic substances? What about soil and water samples? Didn't we have air sensors deployed with our troops to detect and warn about poisons in the air?

i dont buy that claim, personally.

Why is the US not interested in casualty statistics in Iraq?

i hadnt seen this.....links?

Still, I have to ask: If we knew where it was, why don't we know where it is?

again, no one ever claimed, going into war, that they knew the exact whereabouts of anything, other than sites that had already been cleaned free of wmd, and "suspected" sites. pretty simple, but im sure youll deny it just as the rest of your crowd has.

These shouldn't be that hard to explain to a stupid conspiracy theorist like me....should they?

when did i ever call you a conspiracy theorist? are you into conspiracy theories? i dont even know.

now that ive answered your questions one by one....i have a couple for you to answer...and im really hoping to hear something reasonable, as ive yet to get decent answers on these.

1) if saddam destroyed all of his wmd, as he claims, why could he not show where and how this was done? as hans blix said, mustard gas isnt marmalade, youre supposed to know what you did with it.......yet iraq couldnt ever show documentation on this mass destruction. maybe it wasnt important? to me, it should have been a very simple matter of saying "they were destroyed on XX dates, and here is the sites they were destroyed on....heres the proof"

2) if saddam didnt have any wmd, why did he put his country through over a decade of sanctions? why not let inspectors in years ago, proving what hes claimed all along, that he doesnt have any left? why play games for 12 years, if there was nothing there to hide?

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