Posts by dubla

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Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 9/11 wins top award at the Cannes film fest

by Realist in

cannes, france (reuters) - u.s. director michael moore's ``fahrenheit 9/11'' won the top award at the cannes film festival saturday.. thanking the jury headed by cult director quentin tarantino, moore said: ``you will ensure that the american people will see this movie.

'' moore's win capped a politically charged festival, with documentaries and films reflecting troubled times and french show-business workers staging demonstrations and sit-ins to protest against cuts in their welfare benefits..

nice!

dubla

its a very liberal industry...just as journalism is. this isnt surprising.

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Wasn't Saddam ousted for doing precisely this sort of thing?

by Simon in

utterly disgusting.

those responsible should be lined against a wall and shot.

publicly.. i think that would win more hearts and minds than bombing cities and using gunships on civilian areas.. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4855930/.

dubla

realist-

just read your response to that comment on the other thread....and no, you didnt dispute it factually.

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Wasn't Saddam ousted for doing precisely this sort of thing?

by Simon in

utterly disgusting.

those responsible should be lined against a wall and shot.

publicly.. i think that would win more hearts and minds than bombing cities and using gunships on civilian areas.. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4855930/.

dubla

realist-

thi chi said something interesting on another thread that ive heard mentioned before:

If you do the Math, we are spending more on Iraq?s freedom (and infastructure) than we could ever make up in oil.

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/14/72353/1.ashx

can you dispute that factually?

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One Soldier's Viewpoint of Iraq

by ThiChi in

one soldier?s viewpoint of iraq.

greetings (names withheld).

as i head off to baghdad for the final weeks of my stay in iraq, i wanted to say thanks to all of you who did not believe the media.

dubla

abaddon-

unless of course you will stop saying what you'd like to be the case and actually try to suppoprt your assertations.

fair enough.....heres a little support for my view that the u.s. opinion of saddams threat hasnt been shaped by "the right" or any "brainwashing tool of the right".......unless of course you consider clinton to be somehow involved in this fox news conspiracy........

bold/italic mine:

Text Of Clinton Statement On Iraq

I want you, and I want the American people, to hear directly from me what is at stake for America in the Persian Gulf, what we are doing to protect the peace, the security, the freedom we cherish, why we have taken the position we have taken.

So first, let's just take a step back and consider why meeting the threat posed by Saddam Hussein is important to our security in the new era we are entering.
This is a time of tremendous promise for America. The superpower confrontation has ended; on every continent democracy is securing for more and more people the basic freedoms we Americans have come to take for granted. Bit by bit the information age is chipping away at the barriers economic, political and social that once kept people locked in and freedom and prosperity locked out.
But for all our promise, all our opportunity, people in this room know very well that this is not a time free from peril, especially as a result of reckless acts of outlaw nations and an unholy axis of terrorists, drug traffickers and organized international criminals.
We have to defend our future from these predators of the 21st century. They feed on the free flow of information and technology. They actually take advantage of the freer movement of people, information and ideas.
And they will be all the more lethal if we allow them to build arsenals of nuclear, chemical and biological weapons and the missiles to deliver them. We simply cannot allow that to happen.
There is no more clear example of this threat than Saddam Hussein's Iraq. His regime threatens the safety of his people, the stability of his region and the security of all the rest of us.

Now, instead of playing by the very rules he agreed to at the end of the Gulf War, Saddam has spent the better part of the past decade trying to cheat on this solemn commitment. Consider just some of the facts:
Iraq repeatedly made false declarations about the weapons that it had left in its possession after the Gulf War. When UNSCOM would then uncover evidence that gave lie to those declarations, Iraq would simply amend the reports.
For example, Iraq revised its nuclear declarations four times within just 14 months and it has submitted six different biological warfare declarations, each of which has been rejected by UNSCOM.
In 1995, Hussein Kamal, Saddam's son-in-law, and the chief organizer of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program, defected to Jordan. He revealed that Iraq was continuing to conceal weapons and missiles and the capacity to build many more.
Then and only then did Iraq admit to developing numbers of weapons in significant quantities and weapon stocks. Previously, it had vehemently denied the very thing it just simply admitted once Saddam Hussein's son-in-law defected to Jordan and told the truth. Now listen to this, what did it admit?
It admitted, among other things, an offensive biological warfare capability notably 5,000 gallons of botulinum, which causes botulism; 2,000 gallons of anthrax; 25 biological-filled Scud warheads; and 157 aerial bombs.
And I might say UNSCOM inspectors believe that Iraq has actually greatly understated its production.
As if we needed further confirmation, you all know what happened to his son-in-law when he made the untimely decision to go back to Iraq.
Next, throughout this entire process, Iraqi agents have undermined and undercut UNSCOM. They've harassed the inspectors, lied to them, disabled monitoring cameras, literally spirited evidence out of the back doors of suspect facilities as inspectors walked through the front door. And our people were there observing it and had the pictures to prove it.

This includes nearly 40,000 chemical weapons, more than 100,000 gallons of chemical weapons agents, 48 operational missiles, 30 warheads specifically fitted for chemical and biological weapons, and a massive biological weapons facility at Al Hakam equipped to produce anthrax and other deadly agents.

http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1998/02/17/transcripts/clinton.iraq/

just a few clips from clinton outlining the danger saddam posed at the time (this was 1998, a time when most opposers are now saying saddam couldnt have had any wmds left). so basically, we heard the same things about saddam through three different presidents over four terms........and yet, fox news somehow controlled this widespread opinion?

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Wasn't Saddam ousted for doing precisely this sort of thing?

by Simon in

utterly disgusting.

those responsible should be lined against a wall and shot.

publicly.. i think that would win more hearts and minds than bombing cities and using gunships on civilian areas.. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4855930/.

dubla

realist-

on third thought...this is most likely ot gonna happen because then bushy and his gang might loose control over the oil fields.

man, if bush has indeed accomplished what you and others say he was after, controlling the oil, i wish hed start doing something about the insane oil prices ($41+)! surely by controlling such large amounts of oil he can.?. it sure would help our markets over here.

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One Soldier's Viewpoint of Iraq

by ThiChi in

one soldier?s viewpoint of iraq.

greetings (names withheld).

as i head off to baghdad for the final weeks of my stay in iraq, i wanted to say thanks to all of you who did not believe the media.

dubla

abaddon-

Damn dubla, I wished I had your ability to know about things without looking into them

when did i say i knew about fox? what i said was i knew that the u.s. in general had a poor opinion of saddam before fox news existed. i think youd have a hard time disproving that.

And your point is "made-up". You've decided what your opinion is without anything to support it.

no, its not made-up....its simply observed. why cant i make a observation based on personal experience? everyone i know personally (family, friends) that has supported the ousting of saddam, has done so since the gulf war....before fox news existed. simple observation-conclusion. perhaps fox has somehow brainwashed us in our sleep though?

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Why didn't Sadam........?

by confusedjw in

going back to the pre-war rhetoric it seemed to me that even the german and russian intelligence along with the english and american intelligence and previous inspectors all agreed that sadam had left over (and possibly made more) chemical wmd.

proof seemed to be provided about what they *knew* he had at *some point* and it couldn't be accounted for.. it seems obvious now that sadam did, in fact, destroy it long ago.. my question - why didn't he just prove it to the inspectors?

why not avoid all of this if he could?

dubla

simon-

If Saddam *did* have hidden stockpiles of weapons then why not give the order to use them against his greatest foe when being invaded?
What is the point in having them if you don't use them even when being attacked?

the answer to that "if" question is pretty simple. saddam needed world opinion on his side when the coalition invaded. by using wmds in the war, nearly 100% (id guess) of world opinion wouldve instantly shifted to the position that the u.s. was taking, that saddam needed to be ousted......and he still wouldve lost the war.

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One Soldier's Viewpoint of Iraq

by ThiChi in

one soldier?s viewpoint of iraq.

greetings (names withheld).

as i head off to baghdad for the final weeks of my stay in iraq, i wanted to say thanks to all of you who did not believe the media.

dubla

abaddon-

You don;t watch FOX. I assume you have done some research on FOX to form your opinion (""fox news is the right-wing brainwashing machine" theories are hilarious") on it then?

no, havent done any research on fox, and i wouldnt care to. i just think its funny that some people get so worked up over this channel and that channel. my point was simply that fox hasnt shaped the u.s. opinion (or any broad opinion for that matter) of saddam/the war, which is what is seemingly implied by the brainwashing theories. saddam made his own bed with the public long before fox news even existed.

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First gay couples wed in US state

by ignored_one in

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3719905.stm

first gay couples wed in us state

two lesbians were among the first same-sex couples to wed under a new law in the us state of massachusetts.

dubla

abaddon-

thats fair enough.....thanks for the clarification, i appreciate it.

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Wasn't Saddam ousted for doing precisely this sort of thing?

by Simon in

utterly disgusting.

those responsible should be lined against a wall and shot.

publicly.. i think that would win more hearts and minds than bombing cities and using gunships on civilian areas.. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4855930/.

dubla

realist-

i wrote:

i have yet to read about any murder charges stemming from the abuse. you and others have claimed there was murder involved, is there proof of this? the icrc director of operations claims that some of the treatment was "tantamount to torture" (in the above bbc article), but makes no mention of murder........just wondering if there are credible sources behind those claims.

i answered my own question:

U.S. to Investigate Iraqi Inmate's Death

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,120464,00.html

disgusting new photos.....i hope someone is charged with murder.

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