Posts by dubla

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The Already Tired Argument of Bin Laden's Guilt

by dubla in

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there has been several threads since the start of the war on afghanistan (and before it), concerning the issue of bin laden's guilt.

many have seen the obvious, that he and those who harbor him, are guilty, and that the attacks on afghanistan are completely justified if not the only choice for the u.s. still others claim the ridiculous notion that "evidence" should have been presented to the taliban first, and a "trial" should have been held for bin laden before any actions were taken.

i realize most readers on this forum could care less, and the fact remains that the few of us who have argued these points are pretty tired of talking in circles.

dubla

there has been several threads since the start of the war on afghanistan (and before it), concerning the issue of bin laden's guilt. many have seen the obvious, that he and those who harbor him, are guilty, and that the attacks on afghanistan are completely justified if not the only choice for the u.s. still others claim the ridiculous notion that "evidence" should have been presented to the taliban first, and a "trial" should have been held for bin laden before any actions were taken. i realize most readers on this forum could care less, and the fact remains that the few of us who have argued these points are pretty tired of talking in circles. i thought id post this anyway, in case not everyone has seen it. its a link to the new evidence released by the british government proving almost unequivically bin laden's guilt, and also showing that even had the u.s. presented evidence to the taliban, all signs show they wouldve taken no actions against their golden boy bin laden (the report shows that evidence was presented to them in the past, for the 98 bombings, yet they refused to take action against him). anyhow, if anyone is interested, click here >>> http://www.number-10.gov.uk/news.asp?newsID=3025

after reading this report (there is a summary version, and the full text version), if youd still like to make some preposterous suggestion that we "shouldve" done this or "shouldve" done that, or a suggestion of bin ladens possible innocence, please feel free.

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You Know: Three Possibilities

by NeonMadman in

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after jousting a bit on these forums with perennial poster you know, i have wondered about his status with the jw organization.

he claims to be a jw, and he claims that his elders, circuit overseer, and even the society are well aware of his activities here on the net.

notice the following remarks he has made:.

dubla

Possibility #4 you know is completely delusional, his congregation is aware of his mental illness, and they leave him be. he drinks from the cup every year, and they cannont counsel against this (for only the annointed know for sure), but they also realize its most likely part of his personal delusions. if he is indeed fully candid with his elders, then they too have heard his ridiculous ravings, and have no doubt already written him off (in private sessions), as extremely unstable and mentally ill, and therefore ignore his obvious apostasy.

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Was Adam black?

by nicolaou in

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okay, it's an old question but we haven't examined it here yet so let's have your thoughts.. adam was the progenitor of the whole human race, from his genes sprang the negroid, caucasian, mongoloid, indo-european and every other race on the planet.. the hebrew people were not selected as jehovah's chosen nation until abram had found favour with god so presumably all races were equal in his eyes before then.. so then, what basis is there, if any, for deciding what adam and eve's skin colour may have been?.

could they not indeed have been black or blonde or chinese looking?.

this is a pointless discussion i grant you.

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saw-

i tend to agree with aguest on this one (and you wont hear me say that too often). the explanation of us all coming from a light brown color, and then evolving over centuries after migrating to different temperature zones, makes the most logical sense. just out of curiousity, since you denounce the biblical explanation, and havent really given us your theory, what are your thoughts? do you think god created a "white" race and a "black" race to begin with? do you think "whites" evolved from a different species of lizard than "blacks"? just wondering.

the "light brown" theory from aguest does back up your little point about adam by the way. surely a "light brown" skinned person can turn red just as surely as a white person. and yes this would also apply to noah, etc........it wouldnt be until the tower of babylon that the tribes would be split off (by language and by location), and therefore it would make sense that the pigmentations were nearly identical up to that point.

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LET'S MAKE A LITTLE WAGER

by You Know in

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perhaps you recall the instance in the bible where samson made a wager with the philistines that they couldnt guess his riddle.

as it turned out they wheedled the answer out of him by his fiancee, but the point is that they had a wager.

since the underlying assumption of the apostasy is that we are not living in the last days of this system of things, and that this world is not facing anything remotely like the biblical apocalypse, at least not any time soon, in the spirit of such antagonism, i would like to propose a similar wager.

dubla

hs-

would you believe, i never even noticed that little icon or its purpose? thank you for introducing me into a whole new world of foolishness, youve made my day. this thread being my first real encounter with our favorite apostate in denial, i had no idea the extent of his actual ravings. after a quick look, it appears that his why __ is doomed series looks fairly entertaining. after opening one thread to take a peek, i already found myself laughing at you know who trying to explain how easy it was to prove the exact meaning behind a biblical parable, lol. to take a word from alanf, what a boob.

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LET'S MAKE A LITTLE WAGER

by You Know in

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perhaps you recall the instance in the bible where samson made a wager with the philistines that they couldnt guess his riddle.

as it turned out they wheedled the answer out of him by his fiancee, but the point is that they had a wager.

since the underlying assumption of the apostasy is that we are not living in the last days of this system of things, and that this world is not facing anything remotely like the biblical apocalypse, at least not any time soon, in the spirit of such antagonism, i would like to propose a similar wager.

dubla

yk-

p.s. thank you for once again giving me something to laugh at today. my morning had been slow.

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LET'S MAKE A LITTLE WAGER

by You Know in

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perhaps you recall the instance in the bible where samson made a wager with the philistines that they couldnt guess his riddle.

as it turned out they wheedled the answer out of him by his fiancee, but the point is that they had a wager.

since the underlying assumption of the apostasy is that we are not living in the last days of this system of things, and that this world is not facing anything remotely like the biblical apocalypse, at least not any time soon, in the spirit of such antagonism, i would like to propose a similar wager.

dubla

yk-

Apparently it was not common knowledge as indicated by the venerated London Financial Times. Hopefully intelligent readers realize that you are full of it. Anyway, it's obvious to me that you are. LOL

two points......

1. thank you for once again proving you cannot respond to the specific topic at hand (which i just threw a big wrench in once again with my last post), and proving you would much rather magnify pointless side issues.

2. i read your link, and please tell me what exactly it was supposed to prove? that the announcement was a surprise? wow, what a revelation! lol, when did i say we (in the business) knew when the announcement to abolish the long bond would come? if it wouldnt have been a surprise announcement, then everyone wouldve known the day they would halt issuing the 30s, and we couldve all gotten rich buying up the old 30s in advance! your links get better and better all the time, proving you scratch and scramble for discrediting info, yet its always out of context. what i did say is that weve known for over a year that is was coming at some point. its been water cooler talk for some time. if i (or the london times), wouldve predicted the exact date, well wed be that much farther ahead of you in the prediction dept, hey? your maniacal laughter doesnt make your point any more valid. LOL

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LET'S MAKE A LITTLE WAGER

by You Know in

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perhaps you recall the instance in the bible where samson made a wager with the philistines that they couldnt guess his riddle.

as it turned out they wheedled the answer out of him by his fiancee, but the point is that they had a wager.

since the underlying assumption of the apostasy is that we are not living in the last days of this system of things, and that this world is not facing anything remotely like the biblical apocalypse, at least not any time soon, in the spirit of such antagonism, i would like to propose a similar wager.

dubla

yk-

You have "shown" that I have lost and I have shown that I have won.

i have shown that you have lost, yes. you have shown nothing. youve dont nothing above your usual, a smokescreen of doom and a copout.

I think you are hilarious.

then we have that mutual feeling about each other, for whenever im not laughing on the outside reading your blubberings, im always laughing on the inside.

The United States declared war immediately after the 11th, but the bombs didn't actually start falling until several weeks later. It was during that time that the aspect of war was discussed as pertaining to my little wager. So, I was reasonable and wasn't going to claim that there was a state of war when there had only been a declaration and not any actual fighting.

thats not what i was referring to, but you already know that. this statement is nothing more than more smokescreen.

Yes, it was ridiculous. I thought it was absolutely silly that apostates would stoop to that sort of reasoning to try to decipher what I meant by the system being in a state of war.

question then....if you concede that you were saying you didnt mean the financial system would be in a state of war, then why this response to me........

me:

. you now claim you did not mean the financial system, but you really meant the united states.

you:

You have a way of twisting things around, which most apostates seem to excel at. Nevertheless, I didn't say that I didn't mean the financial system as you claim. You are simply lying.

so which is it yk? its easy to trip over ones words when one is circle talking, isnt it? this is the teetering i was referring to. ill go through the teetering for you chronologically (this is what i was trying to avoid)......

1.your wager says: financial system will be in a state of war

2.you claim this is ridiculous, not what you meant

3.i point out that you now say "financial system" isnt what you meant

4.you claim that you never said that, and i am simply lying

your circles need some repairs yk. you are so transparent. do you not realize that contradictions are the traits of a liar? (or simply an ignorant one; could very well be the case here)

As I pointed out more recently it is typical of apostates to twist God's word and make strong assertions about things they are ignorant of, so it is no surprise that you would try to run this kind of game on me.

i have twisted nothing, i have only used direct and exact quotes from you. very simple, no getting around it.

I think apostates are somewhat unnerved by the sudden and unexpected change in world affairs

most americans are unnerved about recent events, it has absolutely nothing to do with being an apostate. thousands of our fellow citizens were slaughtered at work, this is unnerving, i do not deny it.

you imagine that if you can somehow get YK to pay of his little wager that everything will be alright again like it was before September 11th. But, at the end of the day, when all is said and done, reality remains unchanged. / You Know

i imagine no such thing. from september 11, 2001 onward, the world will never be the same, and i do not deny this either. from the start of ww1 the world was never the same, and i could name many more world changing events, but i wont bore you.

as far as what paying up your wager would change, well the only thing it would change is a few opinions of you (which im quite sure you could care less). a few people would actually think you are a man of your word; but no one is under that delusion, so youve surprised exactly zero of us.

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LET'S MAKE A LITTLE WAGER

by You Know in

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perhaps you recall the instance in the bible where samson made a wager with the philistines that they couldnt guess his riddle.

as it turned out they wheedled the answer out of him by his fiancee, but the point is that they had a wager.

since the underlying assumption of the apostasy is that we are not living in the last days of this system of things, and that this world is not facing anything remotely like the biblical apocalypse, at least not any time soon, in the spirit of such antagonism, i would like to propose a similar wager.

dubla

Arguing with King Booby here is like trying to pick up mercury with your fingers. He simply cannot admit error, any more than his masters can. He knows everything that is important to know, so error is impossible.

well said, and youd think id know that by now. i was holding on to at least a glimmer of hope that he would actually make good on his wager......i must not be getting enough sleep to be experiencing such delusions.

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LET'S MAKE A LITTLE WAGER

by You Know in

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perhaps you recall the instance in the bible where samson made a wager with the philistines that they couldnt guess his riddle.

as it turned out they wheedled the answer out of him by his fiancee, but the point is that they had a wager.

since the underlying assumption of the apostasy is that we are not living in the last days of this system of things, and that this world is not facing anything remotely like the biblical apocalypse, at least not any time soon, in the spirit of such antagonism, i would like to propose a similar wager.

dubla

yk-

I ignored it because it was stupid. As are most of your responses.

you ignored it because you cannot respond to it, and becuase ive shown more than once, more than twice, that you lost your little wager, for MANY reasons.....the "and" issue being merely one of them, and the one you cannot throw a copout debate against, therefore making it the best one to utilize. calling a post "stupid" is the simplest way for a false prophet like yourself to detract its value......you are, as always, transparent.

Now you are squirming because I pointed out how silly the ridiculer's techniques are.

i love it when you accuse someone of "squirming". ive noticed you do it often when you are humiliated. this isnt the first time ive pointed out your lack of a grasp on sarcasm and humor, and that you debate the fact that i would use these tactics (sarcasm and humor) when addressing you, just makes your ignorance show through a little brighter. in reality though, whether or not you believe my intentions of refernecing a silly movie will not keep me up at night. as far-fetched as the movie was, it could actually be considered, i suppose, a nice depiction of the way some morons can go overboard with prophesies, like yourself. (**note to editor of sequel: add in scene where gibson predicts end of world at y2k, lol.)

Post a link for us why don't you? I'll read it. If that's true, that Clinton wanted to do away with the long bond because of the supposed budget surplus, it makes it all the more puzzling why Bush would pick up on Clinton's policy

i do not need to post links to clintons plan for debt retiring, as it is common knowledge to all who even faintly follow politics. the original reasoning for abolishing the 30s did revolve around the surplus, but the plan was always there, even after the policy change. your points on insider trading are simply delusional, therefore do not require a response.

*yawn*......once again you magnify side issues, while ignoring the real issue, your wager. lets address it again, shall we?

But, that is precisely why I stated in my little wager that the financial system would either be in a full-blown collapse or else a state of war would exist. Certainly no sane person would deny that the myth of America's economic invulnerability has been dissolved. So, while there was not a run on the dollar, the world is not the same as it was back on September 3rd when I first proposed the wager. America is at war. And that changes everything.

okay, ive already shown that the first part of your wager has not come to pass (upon admittance by you). the second part involved the fiancial system being in a state of collapse (which it by no stretch of the imagination is), or a state of war.

if you really want to address the "state of war" part, we can i guess. it will involve me going back through your posts, chronologically, showing how you teetered back and forth on what exactly you meant by that (it really is tiring and pointless, but if youd like, ill do it).

basically, a couple of us pointed out that you said the "financial system" would be in a state of war, and you laughed at this notion, noting how RIDICULOUS an idea this was, that the financial system could be in a state of war. then in a more recent post, you claimed that you NEVER said thats not what you meant, and really all along you did mean that the financial system would be in a state of war, and now youre claiming that the financial system IS in a state of war, due to the fact that the government and the financial system are invarialby "linked"..........whew, alot of circle talking, isnt it yk? of course it is, all false prophets, and more importantly all jws, talk in circles. it is to be expected, and we are all used to it.

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LET'S MAKE A LITTLE WAGER

by You Know in

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perhaps you recall the instance in the bible where samson made a wager with the philistines that they couldnt guess his riddle.

as it turned out they wheedled the answer out of him by his fiancee, but the point is that they had a wager.

since the underlying assumption of the apostasy is that we are not living in the last days of this system of things, and that this world is not facing anything remotely like the biblical apocalypse, at least not any time soon, in the spirit of such antagonism, i would like to propose a similar wager.

dubla

yk-

first, kudos for ignoring my "example" post about betting. im sure youre glad that we are discussing the financial world once again, and you can enjoy a nice pause from the actual wager discussion, which you realize you cannot win.

second....

It is most predictable that you would buy into that sort of Hollywood nonsense ...

it is also most predictable that you wouldnt realize my reference to the movie was merely meant as humor, as your sense of humor is no doubt equal to my left shoe.

and use it to discredit anyone who disagrees with the MSNBC version of reality that you have swallowed hook, line, and sinker. / You Know

as i have said before (your memory is absolutely horrible yk), i do not watch msnbc, or cnn moneyline, and i always advise my clients to avoid these channels like the plague. there is useful information there, but all in all their take on the markets are more confusing to most than informative.

also, you might want to check into my "clintonomics" statements......do some back research, and youll realize that i am 100% correct in stating that the plan to do away with the 30s has been in place before bush ever won the vote-off with gore. you shouldnt speak on such matters before getting the whole picture.....in the future you could save yourself some humiliation.

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