Posts by Doltologist

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Parents under fire for failing to allow lifesaving blood transfusion to terminally ill son

by AndersonsInfo in

http://www.9news.com.au/national/2015/06/11/19/06/parents-under-fire-for-failing-to-allow-lifesaving-blood-transfusion-to-terminally-ill-son.

there is a video that can be seen at the above link that is worth watching.. the andersons.

7:10pm june 11, 2015 parents under fire for failing to allow lifesaving blood transfusion to terminally ill son.

Doltologist

Cofty

Outlaw - I think that portraying JW parents as uncaring is unhelpful.....cofty

The parents can claim they care as much as they want but, if they get their way, their son dies. Caring isn't about saying you care, words are cheap. It's about showing it. If a parent is prepared to let a child die rather than defy a religion, then the religion is sick and so are the parents. Claiming that the parents care is just plain dumb. If the parents cared, the child would be allowed a blood transfusion. Situations like this need highlighting and brought to society's attention and the parents held up as being irresponsible and uncaring so as to deter other jovie parents from doing likewise. The parents need to understand that a caring society doesn't tolerate such behaviour. The courts shouldn't need to get involved. In some cases, time may not even allow the courts to get involved and a child might die.

Highlighting situations like this just might cause some people to leave jovie land and others not to join in the first place.

We stopped offing humans as sacrifices to the gods hundreds of years ago, at least I thought so.

Jovies are a cult. They should be treated as such and minors of cult members given automatic protection without the need for court intervention.

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Parents under fire for failing to allow lifesaving blood transfusion to terminally ill son

by AndersonsInfo in

http://www.9news.com.au/national/2015/06/11/19/06/parents-under-fire-for-failing-to-allow-lifesaving-blood-transfusion-to-terminally-ill-son.

there is a video that can be seen at the above link that is worth watching.. the andersons.

7:10pm june 11, 2015 parents under fire for failing to allow lifesaving blood transfusion to terminally ill son.

Doltologist

Cofty

Outlaw - I think that portraying JW parents as uncaring is unhelpful.....cofty

Cofty, I have read a lot of your posts. I agree with most, if not all, apart from this one. You are a bright guy. You are looking like a real pratt on this occasion. Someone needs to point it out to you.

The parents care more about their religion than they do about their son's life. When religion interfere's with life, it's time to take religion and the parents out of the equation.

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Parents under fire for failing to allow lifesaving blood transfusion to terminally ill son

by AndersonsInfo in

http://www.9news.com.au/national/2015/06/11/19/06/parents-under-fire-for-failing-to-allow-lifesaving-blood-transfusion-to-terminally-ill-son.

there is a video that can be seen at the above link that is worth watching.. the andersons.

7:10pm june 11, 2015 parents under fire for failing to allow lifesaving blood transfusion to terminally ill son.

Doltologist

Why am I desperately trying to maintain my composure? Isn't x-tianity about peace and love?

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Is RIDICULE acceptable in online debating?

by nicolaou in

this topic was inspired by one of fhn's comments on the 'warzone' thread, so i'll just restate my post there .

.. "i've been wondering for a while now if ridicule really is an unacceptable feature in debate - it certainly isn't a valid form of argumentation.

the thing is, some individuals really do come out with the most laughable nonsense and parade it as a serious proposition that merits attention.

Doltologist

Millie210

As I have stated before, I am not an atheist but I am curious and wish I could discuss it but even when a thread is started by an atheist I feel is "approachable" it isnt long before the ones who employ jeering and mocking and preaching (yes I said it - preachers arent just religious - its a talking style also) and I leave the thread.

I don't want you to think I'm preaching because I'm not. I could point out web sites where if you even hint that you believe in god they will rip you to shreds and spit out the bones. The language is vile. In fact, I can't believe they can get away with it, but they do. When you join, the first question they ask is 'do you do anal?'. I kid you not. They will treat you unmercilessly. The problem is that there's some serious intellectual heavyweights on the site too. They know BS when they hear it and treat it with complete and utter contempt. Those guys don't whistle Dixie. They are full on. There's a moderator who's very active on the site. He makes sure that the level of abuse is turned up to maximum. He considers freedom of speech to be above all things.

Also be aware that x-tians have done some terrible things since they formed. Some people tolerate and even forgive. There are also those that don't and won't. Be also aware that x-tians suppressed and abused people for thousands of years. Now that the shackles are off and x-tians no longer have the upper hand, it's pay-back time. Maybe x-tians are getting their just deserts at long last.

I, by nature, am a very intolerant person, especially of religion and especially of x-tians. I'm trying a different way to see if it pans out. I have to admit, it's difficult. I can't say for sure whether or not I'll remain a born-again atheist or go back to my intolerant ways. However, be aware, x-tians and religious people in general have not covered themselves in glory and people do have a right to make this clear.

Believe me, this is a tolerant forum in comparison and one that people need to be proud of and appreciate.

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Barings Bank & the JWs

by Doltologist in

in the early 1990s, i was in a meeting.

we were making some major changes to the main it system of the company i worked for.

during the meeting i said, 'what would happen if one of our major customers went belly up and shouldn't we build something into the system to cope with this?'.

Doltologist

Simon

- just look at Scientology.

I'd rather not. JW has made me sick to the stomach as it is.

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Missed the Meeting

by konceptual99 in

jw
friends

so yesterday was a lovely day where i live and so instead of going to the meeting we went, as a family, out for the late pm/early evening to have a bbq.

we were far more relaxed than if we had gone to the meeting.

we spent far more time talking that if we had gone to the meeting.

Doltologist

The Searcher

Many of us here - and all around the world - are on the same path, Doltologist.

Good luck to you all.

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Missed the Meeting

by konceptual99 in

jw
friends

so yesterday was a lovely day where i live and so instead of going to the meeting we went, as a family, out for the late pm/early evening to have a bbq.

we were far more relaxed than if we had gone to the meeting.

we spent far more time talking that if we had gone to the meeting.

Doltologist

Konceptual99

Indeed however since you are new here you probably don't know that I am on a long fade and working to get my family out with wrecking every family relationship that we have. You cannot force people to see the reality about the WTS so this is the path I am taking.

I have Aspergers. In my world, you either like or dislike me. I couldn't care less which. If people don't like what I do or say, then get the hell out of my life and stay out of it. There are other people in this world that may like me for who/what I am. It may sound callous but why would I want to be with people that don't want to be with me.

That's my take but I also understand that not a lot of people are like me.

Like Punkofnice says, you are the master of your own ship. Your the one who will suffer if you get it wrong - not me.

All I was doing was asking a question, not criticising.

What I can't get my head around is the difference between what you guys call a long slow fade and just not turning up one day.

To me, leaving jovie land is leaving jovie land and it doesn't matter whether it's quick or slow because the end point is the same. I don't understand why the results aren't i.e. a quick leave results in shunning whereas a long slow fade may not. What am I missing and perhaps someone will be good enough to enlighten me?

Oh and good luck with the fade.

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Missed the Meeting

by konceptual99 in

jw
friends

so yesterday was a lovely day where i live and so instead of going to the meeting we went, as a family, out for the late pm/early evening to have a bbq.

we were far more relaxed than if we had gone to the meeting.

we spent far more time talking that if we had gone to the meeting.

Doltologist

And that begs the question, so why are you wasting your life going to meetings of the evil cult?

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Barings Bank & the JWs

by Doltologist in

in the early 1990s, i was in a meeting.

we were making some major changes to the main it system of the company i worked for.

during the meeting i said, 'what would happen if one of our major customers went belly up and shouldn't we build something into the system to cope with this?'.

Doltologist

In the early 1990s, I was in a meeting. We were making some major changes to the main IT system of the company I worked for. During the meeting I said, 'What would happen if one of our major customers went belly up and shouldn't we build something into the system to cope with this?'. Someone said 'Such as who?'. 'Oh, I don't know - how about Barings?' I said. A roar of laughter went up and I was left looking like a prat.

A couple of years later, in 1995, Barings went belly up after Nick Leeson lost the bank £827 million ($1.3 billion). So, a bank that was founded in 1762 and thought to be rock solid was brought to its knees by one man.

Barings Bank was eventually sold to ING for £1.

There's a lot of disenchantment of the gb specifically and all things jw generally and that's putting it mildly. In some quarters, there's hatred.

What kind of things would bring the whole jw thing to its knees?

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Richard Dawkins espouses Militant Atheism: "Mock them, Ridicule them." Attack Religious People with Insults!

by MagicMItchJensen in

richard dawkins has said frequently if we don't agree with religious or spiritual people we need to "insult them!

" tell their their out of their "fucking gourds!

" and make sure you really show them how stupid they are for believing in something they can't prove!".

Doltologist

Magic

Doltogoist, your reasonable, you see what he is saying is wrong so why do people try to qualify unambiguous hate speech?

It's like I said, in the past, religious leaders incited others to kill and commit atrocities. For example, x-tians murdered between 100 - 200 million people and raped, pillaged, enslaved and tortured millions more. It's been estimated that science was held back by x-tians by up to 100 years. X-tians even helped Nazis war criminals escape to South America after the war. Until recently, katlicker priests went unchallenged in their paedophilic behaviour. What makes this even worse is that religion is supposed to be about peace, love, understanding and forgiveness.

Some people can forgive a lot easier than others. It would seem that Dawkins isn't one of those people. I have to admit though, I'm finding it especially difficult too and my instinct is to ridicule but, you know what?, there may be a better way.

In the end though, Dawkins and I want the same thing - an end to religion.

Whether Dawkins' way is the better or whether showing more tolerance and understanding is the better way remains to be seen. All I've succeeded in doing so far is to let loose some frustration is all.