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What are you gonna do when the existence of god is disproved?

by Doltologist in

in 1897, j.j. thomson discovered the electron.

this was the first constituent part of the atom which, for 2,000 years, was thought to be indivisible.

today, we know of 18 elemental particles following the recent discovery of the higgs boson, the so-called god particle.. back in 1897, most people believed in god because there weren't even any theories as to how the universe came into being.

Doltologist

Half Banana

God is an irrelevance.

god isn't the irrelevance god ought to be - and there's the issue.

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What are you gonna do when the existence of god is disproved?

by Doltologist in

in 1897, j.j. thomson discovered the electron.

this was the first constituent part of the atom which, for 2,000 years, was thought to be indivisible.

today, we know of 18 elemental particles following the recent discovery of the higgs boson, the so-called god particle.. back in 1897, most people believed in god because there weren't even any theories as to how the universe came into being.

Doltologist

TheOldHippie

With the discoveries in the field of molecular machines etc., God is a far more probable reality than He was before those startling discoveries were made.

Why?

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What are you gonna do when the existence of god is disproved?

by Doltologist in

in 1897, j.j. thomson discovered the electron.

this was the first constituent part of the atom which, for 2,000 years, was thought to be indivisible.

today, we know of 18 elemental particles following the recent discovery of the higgs boson, the so-called god particle.. back in 1897, most people believed in god because there weren't even any theories as to how the universe came into being.

Doltologist

Truthseeker100, DarioKehl, Smiddy

Here's what I wrote: I do not believe that the existence of god will be disproved but only because I can't see how this might be achieved. However, within the next 20 years, we will know enough about the universe to realise that it was probably a case of man inventing god, rather than the other way round. Rather than god being disproved, god will become increasingly marginalised through increasing scientific advances.

If we go back 100 years, I would guess that, near as damn it, 100% of Europeans believed in god because there simply wasn't a reasonable alternative. Hell, even I would have believed. Today, that figure is down to 60% and is falling.

Today, we have some credible scientific alternatives to god. Unproven, yes, but credible non-the-less. The proof will come, and, like it or not, sooner than we think.

100 years ago, this wasn't even a subject that was discussed in polite company. Well, that was then. This is now.

However, will god's existence ever be disproved wasn't the question, was it?

The question was, what are you gonna do when god's existence is disproved?

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What are you gonna do when the existence of god is disproved?

by Doltologist in

in 1897, j.j. thomson discovered the electron.

this was the first constituent part of the atom which, for 2,000 years, was thought to be indivisible.

today, we know of 18 elemental particles following the recent discovery of the higgs boson, the so-called god particle.. back in 1897, most people believed in god because there weren't even any theories as to how the universe came into being.

Doltologist

In 1897, J.J. Thomson discovered the electron. This was the first constituent part of the atom which, for 2,000 years, was thought to be indivisible. Today, we know of 18 elemental particles following the recent discovery of the Higgs Boson, the so-called god particle.

Back in 1897, most people believed in god because there weren't even any theories as to how the universe came into being. Today, several theories exist.

Back in 1897, most people believed that jesus actually existed. Today, at the very least, there is much room for doubt.

In those 118 years, Man has come far. The speed at which man is acquiring new knowledge is increasing and will continue to increase for the foreseeable future.

Man is now not too far away from understanding how our universe came into being. No serious scientist believes that the solution involves a deity in any way. My best guess is that it will occur within the next 20 years. However, given the speed with which science is moving forward, it may happen in less than 10 years.

One of the main reasons why man created gods, and ultimately god, was to explain where the universe came from. Once we solve that conundrum, we can dispense with god and put an end to the superstitious nonsense. As Dawkins predicts, deity-based religions will disappear and be dispatched to the waste paper bin of history within a generation. christianity will then become nothing more than a historical curiosity. Within two or three generations, people will look back and wonder about the sanity of a people who believed in two mythical figures (god and jesus) that they were willing to die for.

I do not believe that the existence of god will be disproved but only because I can't see how this might be achieved. However, within the next 20 years, we will know enough about the universe to realise that it was probably a case of man inventing god, rather than the other way round. Rather than god being disproved, god will become increasingly marginalised through increasing scientific advances. Dawkins has already gone on record as saying that the probability that god exists is very low (less than 1%). As we move forward, I expect Dawkins' figure to be reduced even further and for the bulk of the population to follow suit.

So. within the lifetime of many of the readers of this post, the existence of god, for all intents and purposes, will be disproved, but probably by stealth.

There will be some of you who will ignore and disregard this post. There will be some of you who will refuse to believe this post because you wont want it to be true. There will be some of you who wont understand the science. There will be some of you who will just continue to believe in god regardless because that's what you want to believe. All this is fine. It's your choice.

However, regardless of how you feel and what you want, it will happen. It's no longer a case of IF, it's now only a case of WHEN.

I wont be affected at all because I don't believe in god and I never have, even as a child.

Those of you whose lives do not revolve around a belief in god and church will largely be unaffected too.

Those of you who do have a devout belief in god and the church are going to be affected most. You people need to think about what you are going to do.

Your church will probably tell you that this is all stuff and nonsense and that it will never happen. You had better hope that your church is right and that I'm wrong. In your position though, I'd do some reading about how far science has progressed and where it's going and what the implications are.

IMHO, though, the writing is already on the wall. As the sandwich boards said, "the end is nigh". It just isn't the end that some people were expecting.

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Prayer - The ultimate act of stupidity

by Doltologist in

prayer is the act of saying something to someone that doesn't exist.

above all else, we need to respect ourselves for, if we don't, we are not capable of respecting others..

thirdly, bow to no one for if they had any respect for you, they wouldn't ask you to bow..

Doltologist

Daniel1555

You call praying stupid because it is speaking to someone who doesn't exist.

How do you know that no god or higher power exists? Can you prove that?

I am an Aetheist. Atheism is a response to an assertion that a higher intelligence/ deity exists.

It is not for me to disprove the existence of the intelligence/deity. It is for those that assert the existence to prove.

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Prayer - The ultimate act of stupidity

by Doltologist in

prayer is the act of saying something to someone that doesn't exist.

above all else, we need to respect ourselves for, if we don't, we are not capable of respecting others..

thirdly, bow to no one for if they had any respect for you, they wouldn't ask you to bow..

Doltologist

Millie210

Science is the search for the truth - supported by scientifically determined facts.

Science is now delving into the secrets of how the universe came into being. It will find the answer. They have theories and it is now only a matter of time. Most scientists in the UK do not believe that god was the creator of the universe. Whether M-theory will provide an answer or one of the other theories, who knows. I just hope that it will be in my lifetime for I will then die a happy man.

It is claimed that science and religion are not on a collision course. However, that is the proverbial elephant in the room. It will happen because, logically, that's where it must lead. Science isn't going out to disprove god, but that's where it's all going.

The religious folk understand that their time is limited but that they may as well fight to the bitter end. Already, our schools are being infiltrated with 'creationists'. Already, christian forums are locked up tighter than a duck's ass (a little light relief being injected at this point). For example, I now have been banned for life from every christian forum from here to hell and back. Why? For daring to challenge their dogma. Were you aware that christian forums share banned IP addresses? I could circumnavigate their defences but, quite frankly, I can't be bothered.

I was once asked by a creationist what I was afraid of? What was so wrong with teaching creationism alongside evolution theory. I told him that a) my child's time is far to precious to waste having his head filled with unprovable junk and b) If you want to teach religion, so be it. But do it at home or in church. c) I'm not wasting my tax dollars on someone teaching my child hocus pocus illogical nonsense.

Because the religious are now digging themselves in for the last stand and are going to fight every inch of the way, I guess that the irreligious are going to equal extremes and becoming more vocal.

I also think that there's another issue which is muddying the waters and this was discussed on another thread by someone called "My name is not important". She wrote about overhearing a discussion taking place between her son and his wife in which they claimed that the universe being created out of nothing was a preposterous idea (as if a sky pilot that hears all and sees all isn't). It made me realise just how far science has come and just how far it may have left some people behind. For the uninitiated, a universe out of nothing is perfectly feasible and is permissible within the existing laws of physics. Some people may therefore be clinging to religion because it is the soft option because it doesn't involve trying to understand scientific theory.

Just me thoughts ...

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Help with understanding

by Doltologist in

please take pity on me someone and help.. i was going to say that i suffer from aspergers syndrome but actually, i've come to rather enjoy it.. no, seriously, i really do have aspergers which is why my posts may seem a little odd to some of you.

ok, they may seem bloody odd to most of you.. my world exists in a binary frame.

things are or they are not.. i know that in the "real world" things might be or might not be as well as are and are not.

Doltologist

Adjusted Knowledge

A few months ago, I couldn't sleep one night. I wasn't feeling particularly well either and was just channel surfing when I came across a TV program which compared the old gods (Rome & Greece etc) with the christian god.

I didn't fully appreciate it at the time due my illness but the more I think about it, and still do today, the better I think the program was. It's a great pity that I can't remember the name of the program.

Basically, it stated that until the 13 Century, when christianity was unfortunately really taking hold in Europe, Man wasn't thought to be afraid of death to the same extent as he is now. Prior to the 13 century, Man just accepted death, well, as part of life, really, if that makes sense. The program insinuated that the fear of death was created by christianity.

Under the old regime of multiple deities, Man went to the 'Afterlife', for want of a better world, when he died. It's what naturally happened. There wasn't an 'Afterlife' for the rich and one for the poor nor was there one for the good and another for the bad. There was just one afterlife and, when you died, that's where you went.

Then, the christards came along and change all that. Now, there were two 'afterlifes'. One was called heaven, where all the good people went and those bad people who could afford to leave the church lots of money and land. The other was called hell where the bad people went and the rich bad people who weren't gullible enough to be taken in by the christards.

So, yes, Man needs to believe in god because he's afraid of death but, it was christianity that created the fear of death in the first place.

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Prayer - The ultimate act of stupidity

by Doltologist in

prayer is the act of saying something to someone that doesn't exist.

above all else, we need to respect ourselves for, if we don't, we are not capable of respecting others..

thirdly, bow to no one for if they had any respect for you, they wouldn't ask you to bow..

Doltologist

Millie

Yes, we are trying to learn together.

Thanks for reminding me.

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Prayer - The ultimate act of stupidity

by Doltologist in

prayer is the act of saying something to someone that doesn't exist.

above all else, we need to respect ourselves for, if we don't, we are not capable of respecting others..

thirdly, bow to no one for if they had any respect for you, they wouldn't ask you to bow..

Doltologist

All

Should I apologise for this thread descending into a them v's us fest?

No, I believe not. However, I'm willing to discuss it.

IMHO, this sort of dialogue is long overdue. I and others like me have tried to have a dialogue with religious folk on their forums but, no matter how polite we are, once they realise we are atheists, we get kicked off and receive a life time ban. This forum, bless it, is one of the few that will allow discourse between believers and non-believers to take place.

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Prayer - The ultimate act of stupidity

by Doltologist in

prayer is the act of saying something to someone that doesn't exist.

above all else, we need to respect ourselves for, if we don't, we are not capable of respecting others..

thirdly, bow to no one for if they had any respect for you, they wouldn't ask you to bow..

Doltologist

Daniel1555

There's not much in this world that we can know for certain. But, the probability that god exists is looking mighty slim.

It was claimed that god created the heavens and the Earth 6,000 years ago and made Man in his own image. Only plonkas believe that nonsense now. That's the problem with claims. If they get disproved then the house of cards begins to collapse.

Also, my apologies, because of my Aspergers, I can only think in terms of black and white. I can talk in terms of probabilities but it doesn't really have any meaning in my brain.