Posts by dungbeetle

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Does Erica Rodriguez read this forum?

by WildHorses in

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if you do, please send me an e-mail.

i have been watching the dateline segment over and over again and i have an idea that may further help others learn how the wt operates.. lilacs

dungbeetle

I'm sure you can reach her through silentlambs if her email isn't open

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Two Witnesses to WHAT !!!

by jst2laws in

i have asked this question on another thread but want to bring it to everyone's attention.

the wt society is trying to make it look as if they have always handled molestation aggressively and that very little change has been required, only 'strengthening' their policy over the years.

two witnesses to separate incidents of the same kind of wrongdoing.

dungbeetle

bwahahahha bwahahaha bwahahaha

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Two Witnesses to WHAT !!!

by jst2laws in

i have asked this question on another thread but want to bring it to everyone's attention.

the wt society is trying to make it look as if they have always handled molestation aggressively and that very little change has been required, only 'strengthening' their policy over the years.

two witnesses to separate incidents of the same kind of wrongdoing.

dungbeetle

Jan, that doesn't answer jst2 question. He wanted a specific case.

Unless oldhippie speaks more specifically, I think we know what the answer is going to be. It's going to be that Watchtower has changed in mid-stride, and is pretending that the two-witness one act rule never existed.

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Silentlambs response to WT Media

by silentlambs in

distribute freely.... silentlambs response to inquires about watchtower misinformation.

mr. brown-child abuse is an evil.

its an evil of our time; its an evil in our society.

dungbeetle

I'm not Alan, but I hope this can help. Comments from Alan are accepted and expected!!!!!

A quick note first to say thank you to everyone on this board for the months of support and friendship, and for putting up with all of my ranting/raving postings. I am in your debt always.
I apologize in advance for the length of this post, and for the depressing subject.

Situation I was raped in 1989, and because I did not resist my attacker (and lived) I was df'd in view of the WT position at the time.

This is the History of the WT view toward rape as far as I could find it.

WT 1-15-64 scream
WT 6-1-68 scream
Aid to Bible Understanding, 1969, 1971 don't scream
Awake! 3-8-74 scream
Awake! 7-8-80 don't scream
WT 10-15-80 scream
WT 3-15-83 don't scream
Awake! 2-22-84 scream
Awake! 6-8-84 don't scream and scream
Awake! 5-22-86 scream
Insight on the Scriptures, 1988 don't scream
Awake! 3-8-93 don't scream

As you can see, my assault in 1989 placed me right in between 'screaming' in 1986 and 'not screaming' in 1993. (I guess the Insight book was ignored by my elders, oh WELL that's so NEW) I thought by 1999 things had settled once and for all, for crying out loud. Because I have one child still 'in' the org, I sought reinstatement, and the elders said "fine, just come to meetings and all will be forgotten."

Well I wasn?t ready to "forget" and so just simply didn?t attend meetings regularly. I was aware also that the WT has a poor history of accepting back new-light/old-light disenfranchised ones such as myself. Better for them if people like me just stay out.

Last night I did research, and found this;

WT 12/15/98 This exemplifies that when it comes to money and material things, victims of robbery who do not resist may reduce the likelihood of injury.

And a footnote; There are, of course, limits to cooperation. Jehovah's servants do not cooperate in any way that violates God's law. For example, a Christian would not willingly submit to rape.

translation: scream!

I had wondered why the elders hadn't called at my home at all in over two years in spite of some meeting attendance, now I know why. Since I had objected to the Society's stance at my df'ing hearing, that makes me (this year SO FAR) at the least an unrepentant fornicator and at most a quasi/fullblown apostate.

QUESTION:
My WT CD-ROM only goes to 1999, does anyone know if this is the newest present 'light' or have there been more changes even yet? Because if this is the latest WT stance, I?m going to sit through meetings for 6 months to a year for NOTHING. I wouldn't be reinstated untill the policy changes again, if even then. Any insights would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance, Gsark

Life is a roller coaster. Get in, sit down, shut up and hang on!

Edited by - gsark on 27 July 2001 12:50:12

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German DER SPIEGEL to publish JW child abuse story

by GermanXJW in

in german infolink-board it has been said that the magazine der spiegel is publishing a story about the jw molestation scandal in its issue next monday.

i hope to be able to confirm this on monday.

dungbeetle

I LOVE the Germans!!!

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AlanF gave me a virus!

by terafera in

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not the one that posts here...but i recently received an email from an 'alanf' saying there was important info inside.

when i opened it, it did nothing.

turns out it was a virus and thankfully i got rid of it.

dungbeetle

I've been meaning to email freepeace, I've been getting emails from a 'freepeace' that are suspicious, I just been deleting them.

I know it isn't OUR freepeace, so I just was gonna get around to it when I get around to it.

For myself, I NEVER EVER send attachments without discussing it in advance, sometimes even a phone call first. So you know NEVER to open anything from DUNGBEETLE if you haven't heard from me first.

May I recommend the same for everyone.

BEFORE YOU TRY AND REMOVE THE STICK FROM MY ARSE, REMOVE THE TELEPHONE POLE FROM YOUR OWN ARSE.

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Two Witnesses to WHAT !!!

by jst2laws in

i have asked this question on another thread but want to bring it to everyone's attention.

the wt society is trying to make it look as if they have always handled molestation aggressively and that very little change has been required, only 'strengthening' their policy over the years.

two witnesses to separate incidents of the same kind of wrongdoing.

dungbeetle

old hippie has stated on at least two posts that this is the case where he lives.

If I understand him correctly, his elde4rs use the two-witness-two-act-rule for child abuse.

I have repeatedly asked him to clarify and he has not done so for ME. Perhaps he will do so for a fellow ex-elder.

Kent knows how to reach him directly, in fact maybe he knows enough to be able to answer you himself.

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How to DF the Governing Body

by Francois in

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who are these men?

who the hell put them in charge of six million people?

i know, i know, it was the holy spirit that put them there.. this is a corporation for chrissake!

dungbeetle

We aren't going to let them do that, SYN.

Stay tuned for further deatails.

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Response to DATELINE

by RR in

here's a letter sent to dateline from a loyal jw:.

memo to dateline nbc.

may 29, 2002. i am writing in response to your segment last night on dateline nbc re pedophiles among jehovahs witnesses.. i have been one of jehovahs witnesses for the past 43 years.

dungbeetle

I don't give a rat's a** what Jw's think anymore. They can have their pathetic cult for the little tiny time they have left.

1) So how were the elders 'dealt with' in Washington and California? Huuuuh?

2) Dateline said right up front, this wasn't about the pedophiles. This was about the survivors and their supposed friends. JW's, both in the real world and on this board, do everything they can to divert attention FROM THE SURVIVORS.

3)And teh comment about singling out JW's is wrong for two obvious reasons; they covered the Catholics and this wasn't about JW's...it was about WATCHTOWER and the SURVIVORS.

People like this need to get their head out of their A*S and out of their Kingdom Halls for five minutes a day before they wake up one day and they are 80 years old and in diapers and eating with a straw and wondering where all their JW so-called FRIENDS ARE. While there's still TIME.

3)

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JW's Sell Kingdom Hall

by RR in

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a while back, i told of my wife going by our old kingdom hall and surprised to see an american flag hanging by the window.

i thought this was picture worthy news, and some of you agreed.. well it turns out the congregation sold the hall to a phillipino church.

1. they doing business with babylon.

dungbeetle

uhhh actually:

"Our dress, grooming, and decorum should bespeak the dignity associated with with worshipping Jehovah at his house."

"Both inside and out, the Kingdom Hall should be a proper representation of jehovah's organization."

OM pages 62 and 63.

I know for a fact that many JW"s have stopped contributing to the Society. Case in point in my own congregation: For the first time in almost a decade of attending meetings at this Hall, for the last three months, we have put out more than we have taken in.

When the Wintnesses can't pay their mortgage, Watchtower can and does reposses the Hall. If it can be sold for enough money, the congregation can then build or buy a Hall in a cheaper part of town.

You are going to see a whhoooooole lot of this in the next few years. You are going to see three and four congregations crowded into one Hall (there are five in mine) as bit by bit the money dries up and Watchtower will not slow down its real estate ventures anywhere in the world untill every JW is meeting in tents.

Then they'll think about it.

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