in a strong statement of faith on another thread, our regular poster and self-appointed chief wts apologist gave this description of the god of jehovah's witnesses:.
the controversy is between jehovah and satan.. that will satisfy satan's acusations that jehovah has put a protective hedge around us .
so the god he worships is on an equal footing with a created being?
YouKNOW...
your point is valid.
Nobody here is claiming they have all the answers. (well, maybe Alan is )
But for myself, I'm just trying to use the brain God gave me. I'm taking a step back, and I want to examine the Bible with an open mind. I think I can come up with a better answer to the controversy than traditional Christianity (and the Watchtower) has given us.
And YouKNOW, I think you can too, if you just give it a chance.
(((((((((((( YOUKNOW )))))))))))
in a strong statement of faith on another thread, our regular poster and self-appointed chief wts apologist gave this description of the god of jehovah's witnesses:.
the controversy is between jehovah and satan.. that will satisfy satan's acusations that jehovah has put a protective hedge around us .
so the god he worships is on an equal footing with a created being?
Well, at least you didn't run like a snail from the issues, but as usual you DID argue right past them. YouKNOW. thanks for responding just the same.
What I got from Alan's post was this: YouKNOW and company say it is NOT about power, but the right to rule.
Response: If it isn't about power, but the right to rule, then Satan has won becasue he got GOD to stand idley by while God allowed a convicted criminal to abuse, torture and finally murder HIS human children.
YOUKNOW: but God has the power and the right to do that in the first place.
Response: So it IS about POWER. And since God is and was and always will be more powerful than either of his two children Lucifer and Michael, then what was the point of these thousands of years of testing? The human family has been subjected to torture and death----FOR ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!!
Which would be fine and dandy---but how many is enough?
YouKNOW basically affirmed what Alan has been saying.
Alan 2
Youknow 0
the may 15 issue of the watchtower contains a discussion of the question: would it be advisable for a true christian to attend a funeral or a wedding in a church?.
the tone of the wts view is set in the very first line our taking part in any form of false religion is displeasing to jehovah and must be avoided.
nonetheless the last line of the article states whatever the situation, the christian should make sure that the decision will not interfere with his preserving a good conscience before god and men.. so apparently it's a personal decision for the jw as to whether he/she will attend a funeral in a church or not.
You hit the nail right on the head, Xander.
For years, especially in the uS, JW's/Watchtower have been screaming, wailing, and monaing.."persecution, persecution,persecution!!!"
Well, it "ain't true ain't true ain't true!!!"
So they go about trying to manufacture it. Goading non-Witness relatives in an attempt to 'get' themselves persecuted is a very very old trick. Unfortunately it used to work.
But no more....
may you have peace!.
in another thread, you said:.
i have had the priviledge of bringing 17 people into the truth in my years of service.
For your reading pleasure:
...Persons with this disorder disregard the wishes, rights or feelings of others. They are frequently decietful and manipulative in order to gain personal profit or pleasure. They may repeatedly lie, use an alias, con others, or malinger. A pattern of impulsivity may be manifested by a failure to plan ahead. Decisions are made on teh spur of the moment, without forethought, and without consideration for the consequences to self or others;..
Individuals tend to be consistently and extrememly irresponsible. Individuals...show littel remorse for the consequences of their acts.They may be indifferent to, or provide a superficial rationalization for, having hurt, mistrteated someone...These individuals may blame the victims for being foolish, helpless or deserving their fate, they may minimize the harmful consequences of their actions; or they may simply indicate complete indiffernece.
Individuals ...frequently lack empathy and tend to be callous, cynical, and contemptuous of the feelings, rights, and sufferings of others.They may have an inflated and and arrogant self-appraisal..and may be excessively opiniated, self-assured, or cocky. They may display a glib, superficial charm and can be quite voluable and verbally facile.
NOT THAT I'M TRYING TO DIAGNOSE ANYONE....BUT...
Personally, if I am standing in a bank and someone comes in waving a gun around, I am going to DESIRE TO BE SOMEWHERE ELSE>
My advice to anyone who CARES...if on a discussion board and someone posts and is consistantly displaying These Signs and Symptoms..I am going to DESIRE TO BE SOMEWHERE ELSE...
OKAT??? OKAY!!!!
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may you have peace!.
in another thread, you said:.
i have had the priviledge of bringing 17 people into the truth in my years of service.
Personally, I got curious and opened my DSMIV and looked up 'Antisocial Personality Disorder'...(page 645 softcover edition)
And there isn't a single symptom that YoYoidiot does NOT display in his postings on this board.
Ho Hum, just another day on a discussion board...
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as most everyone here knows, when it comes to the propriety (or lack thereof) of blood in medicine, one of the most familiar and timeworn expressions in the jw vernacular is abstain from blood.
jws, both here (the most recent of which being mavman/yoyo) and elsewhere routinely invoke this phrase as an independent construction apparently with little understanding of what they are doing wrong .
abstain and its synonyms (e.g.
Not to mention which, here, from
http://bible.crosswalk.com/InterlinearBible/
the word ~d (dawm) translated blood could also mean:
blood 342
bloody 15
person + () 05315
bloodguiltiness 1
bloodthirsty + (0582) 1
vr blood 1
Total 361
aima (of uncertain derivation)
1)blood
of man or animals
refers to the seat of life
2)of those things that resemble blood, grape juice
blood shed, to be shed by violence, slay, murder
so the words blood and bloodguilty are the same word in both languages; it is up to the context to determine what the writer meant.
The sad fact is, if the proper context denotes 'bloodguilt' then, rather to REFUSE a blood transfusion, a Christian is honor-bound to GIVE blood or otherwise risk a state of bloodguilt. <sigh> Most of Christianity has figured this out...
would it be possible please to contact me at - at your earliest convenience please?
if anyone can contact him and pass this message on, it would also be appreciated.
thanks.. path
Hawkaw...nevermind!!!!
((( Hawkaw ))))
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in a strong statement of faith on another thread, our regular poster and self-appointed chief wts apologist gave this description of the god of jehovah's witnesses:.
the controversy is between jehovah and satan.. that will satisfy satan's acusations that jehovah has put a protective hedge around us .
so the god he worships is on an equal footing with a created being?
Alan (1)
YouKnow (0)
Good thread/topic.
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below is an email i received this morning, can you feel the love from the spiritual paradise?
this brings it to a new level of accusations, now i am apparently gay according to the jw gossip mill.
i will have to add that to the list.
>Dogpatch said "when they". "They" is a very general word. This is just one poster. It does not represent the whole body of JWs.<
speaking of the general use of the word 'they'(and may I add 'you')
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=14741&site=3
>Jehovah keeps sifting and cleanning out the organization. This board is proof of that sifting work. Congratulations on being cleansed out of Jehovah's organization because of your inmoral and prideful lives.<
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=14739&site=3
>I imagine at least a few of you apostates thought about Harmageddon. The end is near. Oh you may laugh now, but not for long...not for long. Repent...<
Eat s**t and ....
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in a strong statement of faith on another thread, our regular poster and self-appointed chief wts apologist gave this description of the god of jehovah's witnesses:.
the controversy is between jehovah and satan.. that will satisfy satan's acusations that jehovah has put a protective hedge around us .
so the god he worships is on an equal footing with a created being?
144, your post is a keeper and is going into my notebook for my grandkids, if you don't mind.
((((( 144 )))))))
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