Posts by dungbeetle

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UK'ers- Follow Through Action - Panorama

by invisible in

jw
friends

would it assist if during the next day or so, i compile a list of uk tv documentary and media news providers, post the details here, upon which our american and elsewhere counterparts may then personally assist us with clanking the uk media machine up a few notches upon these issues?.

upon the can, rurulnet and ukonline centres intranets, the program has been advertised which is also seen by many of the uk tpo business people.. can we see more teamwork please?.

take care all.. celtic mark

dungbeetle

Invisible, it would greatly assist if you, or somebody...

stretch out you ARM.. Now look at that thing sticking at the end of it. (for most people) that is a HAND. Now see those little things sticking at the end of that HAND? Those are FINGERS. Now stretch forth one of those FINGERS, and press that red button on your VCR. That is RECORD....

RECORD the da*N thing, we will get it on the web and on cd, and it won't &*^(% MATTER who sees it, it will preserved and available untill THE NEXT ICE AGE.

I don't know what it is with you British, why don't you people believe in using VCR's....

Go through this board, and look how many good programs have been on British televison---and NOBODY KNOWS HOW TO PUSH THE *(&) RECORD button.

And I'm not asking why becasue I don't think I WANT to know...

(((((((( invisible ))))))))))))))

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Now for new light...

by biblexaminer in

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now that lawrence's daughter will probably die, the gb will issue new light from god.. yes, they will say it's now ok to get blood.

dungbeetle

Well, you know what? Watchtower would have loved to have held her up and say "She died for her faith" <gag> <choke>.

But Lawrence and his supporters took that away from them.

and the little girl got six more months of life.

((((((((((( Lawrence and "Mia" )))))))))))))

(((((((( Bible E ))))))))))

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Letter read iIn ALL UK Congregations this Sunday

by Jim Dee in

jw
friends

uk re panorama program .

a letter has been sent to all po's private addresses to be read out to each uk congregation this sunday - the wt is to be 35 mins long and the lette will take 25 mons to read it.. the instructions on it are :-.

1. read it yourself.

dungbeetle

Not only are they sweating, but I'll bet you a few days' pay that ol' Teddy is transferring property and assets like CRAZY right now.

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SITTING STILL

by crawdad2 in

it's sort of a torture thing, povided by the jw cult for little children............ and if they don't comply,......... off to the womens bathroom they go.

any squirming or movement, other than sitting straigt up, is a possible offence, requiring a punishment.

inside the women's bathroom, various tools come forth, out of the mother's bag............ wooden spoons and other tools........ alot of the mothers pull the childs pants down, in front of everyone, and beat the child with the rod.... .

dungbeetle

The only religions I know of that spank children for not sitting still (insterad of taking them for little 'breaks' every fifteen minutes or hal hour according to age) are other 'cults'.

REAL religions don't force their very young children to sit quietly through meetings, not an age-appropriate activity. Parents go singly or one-at-a-time, or the children don't go at all, or the kids are allowed to go to Sunday school where they can engage in normal socialization or NORMAL age-appropriate behavior; or you take the NORMAL-for-a-child squirmy little child for BREAKS!!!!

But then---you couldn't BEAT the child, could you then.

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Where is the proof Jehovahs people abuse children?

by Bleep in

here is what this "special topic" describes with deadly false propaganda.. "a person might ask why we would single out the witnesses in this matter.

as with other fundamentalist cults, the watchtower goes by the bible advice only when it comes to exposing crimes regarding children or anyone else, that there must be two or more witnesses to a crime.

since abuse and molestation are rarely seen by anyone other than the perpetrator and the victim (and the victim will rarely testify against himself), perhaps hundreds or thousands of cases have gone unpunished, and the perpetrator has not been brought to the police, and the congregation has not been told.

dungbeetle

This is WATCHTOWER related, OF COURSE THERE IS A CHILD ABUSE FORUM.

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Minors and Liability?

by Jhoy1611 in

research has shown that one getting bathtized is entering a contractual agreement to be bound by the organization rules and governance.

such rules would include but are not limited to shunning and being dis-fellowshipped.

so i ask the community is a person who was bathtized as a minor who is now an adult liable for or bound by the rules of the organization?

dungbeetle

Excellent pistoff. May I further add, that a case might be made that if a baptised minor later wants to, or is forced to, leave the organization, and the congregation orders him enforcedly shunned, he should be able to sue for that. Period.

Some have made the case that if the minor CONTINUES with the organization, then he 'furthers' the contract and then he can't try to get out of it after that. That doesn't make sense to me, not in its entirety. How can a minor, now an adult 'get out' of the shunning? That is organizational, that is not the former minor now an adult.

That aspect needs looking into, Pistoff and Jhoy. Good topic.

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A SISTER IS AFRAID SHE WILL GET MARKED

by minimus in

jw
friends

yesterday, a friend told me that she has been secretly dating a non- witness.

she plans on marrying him and will tell about her relationship only after she is married.

she is worried that she will be marked.

dungbeetle

'Marking Disorderly Ones'

from the "Organized to Accomplish Our Ministry" book (1983/1989) pg152, 153

In his second letter to the Thessalonians, Paul expressed a warning concerning certain ones who walk disorderly and who, if accorded full acceptance as being of good standing in teh congregation, could be exerting an unhealthy influence upon others....

Occasionaly, in the congregation today, there may be those who, although not known to be guilty of practicing a grave sin for which they could be expelled, nevertheless continue to display flagrant disregard for theocratic order.

After giving repeated admonitions to such individuals and finding that they persist in dis-regarding well-established Bible principles, the elders may decide to speak to teh congregation and give appropriate admonitions concerning such disorderly conduct. Even though no name has been mentioned, individual members of the congregation would then be obliged to 'mark' a person, or persons, of that kind, just as Paul advised the brothers in Thessalonica....the loving concern and firm stand of faithful members of the congregation could indeed move him to shame and repentance. When it is clearly evident that the person has abandoned his disorderly course, it would no longer be necessary to treat him as a "marked" individual.

"Pay Attention To Yourselves and All the Flock"

Clarifications and Guidelines on Handling Certain
Matters

If a dedicated, baptized Christian marries an unbeliever,
this would result in disqualification from all special
privileges for the time being. (1 Tim. 3:2, 4, 5, 12, 13;
w82 3/15 p. 31)
If the parent is an elder, a ministerial servant, or a pioneer
and encourages, allows, or gives tacit approval to the
marriage, this raises questions regarding his or her
qualifications.

Edited by - dungbeetle on 13 July 2002 21:1:6

Edited by - dungbeetle on 13 July 2002 22:10:58

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Letter read iIn ALL UK Congregations this Sunday

by Jim Dee in

jw
friends

uk re panorama program .

a letter has been sent to all po's private addresses to be read out to each uk congregation this sunday - the wt is to be 35 mins long and the lette will take 25 mons to read it.. the instructions on it are :-.

1. read it yourself.

dungbeetle

Well, see WP, Watchtower is stuck between a rock and a hard palce.

They are trying to say they never HAD policy like this (in spite of this policy being in WRITING for over thirty years)

So how can they CHANGE a policy they never HAD?

They need BETTER lawyers and BETTER PR people. THAT'S what you get for being a cult...hahahahaha

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Letter read iIn ALL UK Congregations this Sunday

by Jim Dee in

jw
friends

uk re panorama program .

a letter has been sent to all po's private addresses to be read out to each uk congregation this sunday - the wt is to be 35 mins long and the lette will take 25 mons to read it.. the instructions on it are :-.

1. read it yourself.

dungbeetle

1) NO THEY DID NOT JUST ORALLY INSTRUCT ELDERS NOT TO GO TO THE POLICE..though that's bad enough.

They instructed IN WRITING all JW's not to tell ANYONE including but not limited to the police, since 1967. Violating the law in all fifty states and the US government.

I repeat: IN WRITING.

Those instructions IN WRITING are going to cook their goose.

Edited to add

2) Hey Bill: trot out all of those media statements by James and J.R. and then the rest of you can show THOSE to JW's. Also, a list of those 48 Supreme court cases Watchtowerites are so proud of winning, controlled by Satan...

OOOPS

It can be viewed this way: Watchtower has been given freedom of religion for 120 years;

millions of tax dollars' worth subsidation;

over 40 Supreme Court victories,

police and fire protection, etc etc.

And in return:

A lot of dead children and rapists at our doors.

RUN WATCHTOWER RUN

Watchtower it ain't just over...It is SOOOOO over.

The only thing that could save Watchtower is to do what I heard they did in France; move their property and money to another country out of reach of plaintiffs here in the US. I HOPE THEY ARE NOT DOING THAT RIGHT NOW.

Edited by - dungbeetle on 13 July 2002 15:41:34

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JESUS NOT THE MEDIATOR?

by Mary in

jw
friends

guess i hadn't been paying "close attention" at the meetings a few years ago......apparently, jesus is not the mediator between god and men like the bible says, he's only the mediator between the 144,000 and jehovah - i guess the rest of us can go straight to hell in a handbasket...... .

how long has this bizarre theory been around??!!

i was absolutely stunned to hear this one, as i had never heard it before.

dungbeetle

Why is that?