Posts by goodgifts

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Disfellowshipping for Gluttony?

by Smoky in

is that possible?..have there been any cases like this?.

my family have been on my case about me hanging around with people (non-jw family) that like to drink alot.

they went as far as to call me "a drunk"...now i do admit that i have been gotten drunk before on occasion, but i am not a drunk or an alcoholic.. so, i told my mother (obese) that if i were "a drunk" for getting drunk from time to time (not every day), then can she be considered "a glutton", for eating to much, obese, having health problems, all because of the way she eats?

goodgifts

Yes, a person can be disfellowshipped for gluttony.

However, as in my congregation, there are many large sisters who have never been spoken to about their eating problems. I don't think anyone would dare, especially as most of them are married to appointed men.

Interesting how a recent watchtower article accused "heavy petting courting couples" as being gready!

The next time I eat my wifes face in a moment of passion, I think I may have to pull away in case I get fat on her loveliness. Ooh la la.

For the reccord, there isn't really such a thing as a disfellowshipping act - if you are a persistant rebel - technically you can be disposed of. So if it's too much cake or you are swinging with the elders - beware.

Goodgits

Sorry... Goodgifts.

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Cover Letter and Letter of Disassociation.

by AK - Jeff in

i am forced to either accept df'ing without any defense [i clearly have none against charges of apostasy], or to at least 'speak my mind' one last time as i exit, with a hope of perhaps helping others to 'wake up'.. to that end - i have elected to send a letter of da to the elders - but more importantly - a copy of it, with a cover letter, to several families in the congregation.

most of these things never have a positive result, i know.

but at least i have attempted in this way to give a little defense for my position.

goodgifts

Hi Jeff,

Thank you for this.

I too have recently been thinking about writing to individual members of the congregation. A very good idea.

I guess I am about 3 years behind you at the moment. My journey started last year when the "quotes" website was sued by the watchtower. Since then I've had my eyes opened.

However, I am trapped in a large family, appointed and have kids who are progressing to baptism and also kids who are marrying within the next few years. This is gonna be hard as I need to keep quiet and do this right.

Despite the overwhelming evidence and that fact that I know my wife and other family members would join me, there is still a small doubt in the back of my mind that I could cause a huge departure (without being bigheaded, I am well respected within my group of family and friends) I just fear that I could be leading them straight into the hands of the devil.

I say this because I have 30 years service in this cult and it's gonna take a while for me to find the courage.

You go for it brother and I wish you all the Christian love you need to help you.

Goodgifts.

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Cover Letter and Letter of Disassociation.

by AK - Jeff in

i am forced to either accept df'ing without any defense [i clearly have none against charges of apostasy], or to at least 'speak my mind' one last time as i exit, with a hope of perhaps helping others to 'wake up'.. to that end - i have elected to send a letter of da to the elders - but more importantly - a copy of it, with a cover letter, to several families in the congregation.

most of these things never have a positive result, i know.

but at least i have attempted in this way to give a little defense for my position.

goodgifts

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Russell's opinion about the "Signs" opposite of what's said today

by rockhound in

what about the "composite sign" that the society says is so much a part of matthew 24, mark 13, and luke 21?

this sign is said to include world wars, famines, pestilences, earthquakes and increasing lawlessness...most jehovah's witnesses would be surprised to know that c. t. russell held exactly the opposite opinion to what the organization holds today.. [r596 : page 1] .

vol.

goodgifts

Interesting find, Thanks for that.

I was thinking about this the other day. If you read Matt 24:4-31 *** BACKWARDS*** then it harmonises with society teaching.

In otherwords, Jesus arrives in his glory (invisably) in 1914 and from that point forward we see the development of the composite sign - more wars, more earthquakes etc. We've all heared it and may have said it ourselves said it in our talks "more people have died in the 20th century from XYZ than in any other century before......."

Yet this is not what the bible says. Jesus describes the signs to look out for and at two points during his discussion he basically says don't be fooled though as it's "just the begining" and "the end is not yet". ***THEN*** once these things have developed and climaxed on the earth, he describes his arrival "in all it's glory".

Everyone - all the tribes of the earth will SEE him arrive. Not just a minor religious group in America.

In addition to this, when Jesus has finished describing these things, he refers to it as "the tribulation of those days". Hence, the problems we face on the earth today "is" the great tribulation we are supposed to be waiting for.

Can anyone explain to me why the society thinks that the tribulation is a seperate period of suffering yet to come? Try explaining to the victims families of 9/11 that here's worse to come or a father in Africa who's watched his babies die of aids "it's gonna get worse bro"

RANT over...

Goodgifts.

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This is how you get saved...

by goodgifts in

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***w818/1p.26harvestinginthe"timeoftheend"***.

your attitude toward the wheatlike anointed "brothers" of christ and the treatment you accord them will be the determining factor as to whether you go into "everlasting cutting-off" or receive "everlasting life.

goodgifts

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w818/1p.26Harvestinginthe"TimeoftheEnd"***

Your attitude toward the wheatlike anointed "brothers" of Christ and the treatment you accord them will be the determining factor as to whether you go into "everlasting cutting-off" or receive "everlasting life."

Goodgifts.

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2520 Years

by goodgifts in

hi,.

2520 years based on the prophetic year length of 360 days = 907200 days.. 907200 days from 607 bce = 1878 ce thereabouts +/- leap months etc and any other bits ive missed.. surely i've not missed that many "bits" to be 36 years off 1914??.

have i got this right?.

goodgifts

Hi,

2520 years based on the prophetic year length of 360 days = 907200 days.

907200 days from 607 BCE = 1878 CE thereabouts +/- leap months etc and any other bits ive missed.

Surely I've not missed that many "bits" to be 36 years off 1914??

Have I got this right?

Goodgifts.

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UN again

by goodgifts in

hi sorry to bring this one up again - i'll keep it simple.

there seems to be a lot of stuff on here about robert king, timothy kline etc etc and i assume there is some connection.

perhaps i'm wrong.. i am instersted to know if anyone has information about this content of this site:.

goodgifts

Hi Sorry to bring this one up again - I'll keep it simple.

There seems to be a lot of stuff on here about Robert King, Timothy Kline etc etc and I assume there is some connection. Perhaps I'm wrong.

I am instersted to know if anyone has information about this content of this site:

http://www.jehovahsjudgment.co.uk/watchtower-un-ngo/

Who is it run by, is the information trustworthy, do you have any comments regarding it's content.

I'm going through a number of stages at the moment and I must say that this site has a very convincing arguement - HOWEVER - in my mind, even if the info presented here is true, the WTBTS should never have anything whatsoever to do with this organisation.

I know of many members of the congregation who refused to attend a (non witness) family wedding or funeral because it is held in a church for fear of being tainted by satans world.

Also, whoever owns the jehovahsjudgment.co.uk website has clearly gone against the FDS advice in regard to personal websites and the use of the internet.

Cheers,

Goodgifts