Thanks for your conversation on this topic, there has been a little agreement on some points. Hope you continue to live in and find peace...I'm out for now!! Gotta do something else other than sit on this computer all day...
easyshi
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Lets say something positive about Islam!
by eyeslice ini'ii start off.
i have traveled widely in asia and have visited iran on business.
i have always found the average muslim to be extremely hospitable and generous.
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Lets say something positive about Islam!
by eyeslice ini'ii start off.
i have traveled widely in asia and have visited iran on business.
i have always found the average muslim to be extremely hospitable and generous.
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easyshi
Well from what I can see, they are doin' A Great Job. Meeting objectives, killing terrorists, promoting democracy and econonomic stability, and course winning friends and influencing people all over the world. That has been one Winning Strategy. I think I'll call it the Bush Blair Blueprint for Long Term Security.Maybe I can submit it to the leaders at Oxford or Harvard and they can put together a degree program off of that blueprint. Don't steal my idea, I want the credit for this one!!! I'm sure this plan is a winner...
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Lets say something positive about Islam!
by eyeslice ini'ii start off.
i have traveled widely in asia and have visited iran on business.
i have always found the average muslim to be extremely hospitable and generous.
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easyshi
Let me get this straight!!! Iraq was on the way to be a Superpower and that's why we attacked...OK, if memory serves me correctly; the Iraqi people were not allowed to fly any of the fighters, they had absolutely no Navy, they were monitored by US aircraft 24/7, their country was blockaded and under sanctions, they had no usable WMD's, their main source of revenue(the oil industry was in a state of serious dis-repair) was limited, the country had been divided into thirds for the most part, they had no capability to manufacture much (autos, machinery etc) which made them a consumer nation which really limits your ability to make war, not like Germany of WWII the Iraqi's had no military industrial complex. I think they were even out of the most Fearsome weapon of all--SCUDS...Those are facts my friend--nothing for the US to fear!! Now that really makes for a great definition of a Superpower!! I bet the National Guard of Mississippi had as much capability to be a Superpower at that time. Beautiful!!!
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Lets say something positive about Islam!
by eyeslice ini'ii start off.
i have traveled widely in asia and have visited iran on business.
i have always found the average muslim to be extremely hospitable and generous.
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easyshi
Ohhhhhhhhhhh, many Arabs view lying as acceptable. That makes a lot of sense. So, it is appropriate for us to lie to cause death and destruction because of that premise. That is a very solid position. I'd love my son or daughter to be blown to hell because the "liar Bush felt it was Appropriate to start a war based on lies, because the Arabs lie." Sign me up today!!! Man that really makes us the Beacon of Morality. You could be my leader anytime. (I'm bowing down) Can I register for the draft???
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Lets say something positive about Islam!
by eyeslice ini'ii start off.
i have traveled widely in asia and have visited iran on business.
i have always found the average muslim to be extremely hospitable and generous.
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easyshi
He sure did, with gas, and bombs, and planes stamped Made in the USA. Hell he was our friend as long as he did what we wanted. That war material was bought from someone and had the blessing of someone, Duh! And don't forget he still never attacked the US...Hell, remember that picture of Ol' Saddam and Rumi taken back in the day, both smilin' like Chesser Cats...They looked like Buds to me, what happened?..
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Lets say something positive about Islam!
by eyeslice ini'ii start off.
i have traveled widely in asia and have visited iran on business.
i have always found the average muslim to be extremely hospitable and generous.
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easyshi
You know I did forget... I remember now, Bush was elected Chief of Police for the world. Him and the great coalition of the willing (lol) were the only ones to see the imminent danger of Iraq. What a visionary!!! He was so smart that he even paid others to agree to allow him to come and bring his Army. This is such a joke and a very bad one at that. Watch your local news, the body counts and lost money on all sides is rising by the minute..Mission Accomplished!!! --What A Fool!!!
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Lets say something positive about Islam!
by eyeslice ini'ii start off.
i have traveled widely in asia and have visited iran on business.
i have always found the average muslim to be extremely hospitable and generous.
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easyshi
Were there that many being deposited on the streets before we showed up? And let's not forget the thousands we vaporized day in and day out. We aren't much better if you look at it. Saddam was bad but over 600,000 have been killed and many thousands wounded since this immoral war was started. Our presence was a catalyst for this. Now we stand around and wonder why there are so many people dying? Take away your parents,your means of making a living, eliminate your basic services and see what would happen. How many Americans died during the civil war? Have we become so callous as to think we have no hand in this? We need to take the blame for our grevious mis-calculation and action. Destroy the country, uproot it's citizens, take away it's infrastructure and then wonder why the violence is like it is. And say that their was a strong coalition backing this foolishness. I'm looking for that strong coalition, even Blair's army is stating the obvious now. Didn't someone high up in Government warn the boys that "if you break it, you own it!" Where is that fella now?
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Lets say something positive about Islam!
by eyeslice ini'ii start off.
i have traveled widely in asia and have visited iran on business.
i have always found the average muslim to be extremely hospitable and generous.
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easyshi
2112,
Sorry thought I answered your question but maybe I didn't. I think I said earlier that evil should condemned by all civilized people on both sides. Why everyone doesn't, probably many reasons. The problem is that we only see our side, read our news and understand from the base of our upbringing and understanding. So being in a safe and secure United States of America and not being subjected to foriegn invaders for years it is easy to say that some other people should see things our way and freely offer up condemnation. That has proven to be hard to do, even in America, without being subjected to some form of retaliation, especially if you are a government official. Look at Suzy Sheehan or Valerie Plame. Get an alternative view and understand that there are over 7,000,000,000 people living on the planet and the 300,000,000 of us in the US have been blessed many times more than others due our hard work, perserverance, good fortune, and some exploitation of poorer people and countries. It is like hearing the question after hurricane Katrina, why did not they leave? I say those that had the means for the most part did, but from an outsider of the region that is hard to understand. So, the best thing to do is get knowledge of the area and remember that there are many Americans, other westerners other religious people living in these areas in peace, if the danger was so great why are they there? Many westerners in Lebanon, working, studying, vacationing before this last war, all of them there of there free will. Families with children, they only seemed afraid of the bombs that were falling not the people they were living amongst. You will find the same thing in all of the region, even Iran. Each leader has to face or condemn evil if they don't the evil will eventually destroy them, but those that don't should not be attacked by the superpower based off the desire to control. In time terrorism does not work it is like a termite destroying from within. We in the west supposedly know better, are more civilized and should not use the means of the barbaric to get our way. We are not under attack, don't believe the hype!
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Lets say something positive about Islam!
by eyeslice ini'ii start off.
i have traveled widely in asia and have visited iran on business.
i have always found the average muslim to be extremely hospitable and generous.
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easyshi
Your point is true and that is why it is important for us to understand we cannot go into independent countries and make changes based on our irrational fear. I must say it again, if you believe that, then it is appropriate for others to do that to us because of fear. Is it appropriate for another government to target Bush or Blair for assassination? Of course not. But that is what we do. Being an uninvited guest in a soverign country inorder to quell our fear and overthrow a leader is wrong . We would not accept it from others, period! What is even worse is to do it based on a lie, if our position is so good and strong we shouldn't have to lie. Let's do one other thing if you don't mind, let's add up all of the WMD's of the US and then compare them to any other country or region and ask who should fear whom. Let me give you an example; I am a country and I have one nuclear device would I try and use it knowing that I would be utterly destroyed? What would that prove and to whom could I turn to as a friend? No one... Westerners and christians of all ilks have lived in the middle east for thousands of years mostly in peace. Go to most countries over in the middle east and you will see for yourself. Those of us in the know also understand Iraq and all of the other countries the region even under Saddam were very hospitable to westerners. You may have to respect some different customs but you have always been welcome, and that's a fact.
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Lets say something positive about Islam!
by eyeslice ini'ii start off.
i have traveled widely in asia and have visited iran on business.
i have always found the average muslim to be extremely hospitable and generous.
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easyshi
Unfortunately great fertilizer helps things to grow and the blood of a people is a great fertilizer.