Hawk/Mad Apostate, what if you forgot the fraud and false information and just sued them for damages. She sustained damages because they used their rules and regulations to harm her, to "get" her as it were. As a result of their actions, she is now psychologically damaged and she has proof of that in the form of medical reports, where she specifically mentions that she is now in emotional turmoil because of the way she was treated by the organization. Let us not forget that this was not a normal disfellowshipping but came about on orders from the top. Now, it comes down to their proving she did something that warranted that she be disfellowshipped. You know, the more I think about it, the more I can see a real case.
Dutchie
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Legal Question: How Strong is Barbara's Case?
by Room 215 ina question for the legal beagles out there:.
since the watchtower thugs have told the press during the dateline repartee that barbara anderson was not being taken to task for her anti-molestation iniitatives, but alleged that she was being tried for ``allegations or serious sins'' unrelated to her activism, how strong a case would she have in court?.
bear in mind that barbara and the others of the dateline four say they did nothing more than speak for the protection of children and then publicly challenged the wt to publicly state their accusations and evidence, and that they would indemnify them against any charges arising therefrom.. so.... if they call her a sinner, say that her sin has nothing to do with whistle-blowing and is serious enough to merit expulsion -- as serious as adultery or theft, yet refuse to accept her challenge to show the world the basis of their charges if they are held harmless, how is that not libel and therefore actionable?
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Read This and You Will Feel Smarter!
by teenyuck inthis will definitely make you feel a lot smarter
question: if you could live forever, would you and why?.
answer: "i would not live forever, because we should not live forever,.
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Dutchie
So funny! I like the one where the guy calls himself a jackass!
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Saying Goodbye.....this is hard...
by flower ingoodbye!
(actually that wasnt too hard..) .
i'm of to cancun day after tomorrow and i may be too busy to get on before then so see ya in about a week!!
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Dutchie
I thought you were leaving for good! Whew! Happy Birthday Flower and have a great trip!!
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Farkle are you married?
by jaccilynn ini was just wondering because you crack me up... maybe i should have put this under the crush link...
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Dutchie
Oh Gosh! This is so cute! Farkel has a girfriend. A forum crush. Priceless.
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Legal Question: How Strong is Barbara's Case?
by Room 215 ina question for the legal beagles out there:.
since the watchtower thugs have told the press during the dateline repartee that barbara anderson was not being taken to task for her anti-molestation iniitatives, but alleged that she was being tried for ``allegations or serious sins'' unrelated to her activism, how strong a case would she have in court?.
bear in mind that barbara and the others of the dateline four say they did nothing more than speak for the protection of children and then publicly challenged the wt to publicly state their accusations and evidence, and that they would indemnify them against any charges arising therefrom.. so.... if they call her a sinner, say that her sin has nothing to do with whistle-blowing and is serious enough to merit expulsion -- as serious as adultery or theft, yet refuse to accept her challenge to show the world the basis of their charges if they are held harmless, how is that not libel and therefore actionable?
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Dutchie
JT< I agree with you. The organization has the right to make their own internal rules and laws. However, they do not have the right to cause someone harm because of them. So my point is that we want the challenge not their doctrine or their rules, but when those rules are applied intentionally to harm someone, then they should be challenged.
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Legal Question: How Strong is Barbara's Case?
by Room 215 ina question for the legal beagles out there:.
since the watchtower thugs have told the press during the dateline repartee that barbara anderson was not being taken to task for her anti-molestation iniitatives, but alleged that she was being tried for ``allegations or serious sins'' unrelated to her activism, how strong a case would she have in court?.
bear in mind that barbara and the others of the dateline four say they did nothing more than speak for the protection of children and then publicly challenged the wt to publicly state their accusations and evidence, and that they would indemnify them against any charges arising therefrom.. so.... if they call her a sinner, say that her sin has nothing to do with whistle-blowing and is serious enough to merit expulsion -- as serious as adultery or theft, yet refuse to accept her challenge to show the world the basis of their charges if they are held harmless, how is that not libel and therefore actionable?
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Dutchie
Hawk, in the last analysis though, we don't want the court to decide on the doctrinal issue. We want the court to go beyond that and to decide whether they set out to harm her (I believe they did) and when they made these accusations against her she was psychologically harmed. I am not saying that the case would be a "slam dunk" case, but I believe that these matters should at least be tested in the court. Churches in general get away with too much in the name of religion. We have got to try and change some of the harm they do i the name of religion and the way to do that is to try these issues in a court of law. I think its worth a try and I also feel that the climate is ripe for a change.
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Legal Question: How Strong is Barbara's Case?
by Room 215 ina question for the legal beagles out there:.
since the watchtower thugs have told the press during the dateline repartee that barbara anderson was not being taken to task for her anti-molestation iniitatives, but alleged that she was being tried for ``allegations or serious sins'' unrelated to her activism, how strong a case would she have in court?.
bear in mind that barbara and the others of the dateline four say they did nothing more than speak for the protection of children and then publicly challenged the wt to publicly state their accusations and evidence, and that they would indemnify them against any charges arising therefrom.. so.... if they call her a sinner, say that her sin has nothing to do with whistle-blowing and is serious enough to merit expulsion -- as serious as adultery or theft, yet refuse to accept her challenge to show the world the basis of their charges if they are held harmless, how is that not libel and therefore actionable?
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Dutchie
Again, as you should know, the mere occurrence of "damages" in this situation is irrelevant unless the statments are proven to be lies (intentional statements of falsehood made with the intent to do harm).
But Angry,isn't that the point? They made intentional statements of falsehood with the intent to do harm. They lied and they realized that by so doing, she would suffer. They accused her of serious sin, apostacy, causing division. All of the charges were false and she was caused to suffer. She sustained severe psycholigical damage and is seeking compensation. Well?
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Legal Question: How Strong is Barbara's Case?
by Room 215 ina question for the legal beagles out there:.
since the watchtower thugs have told the press during the dateline repartee that barbara anderson was not being taken to task for her anti-molestation iniitatives, but alleged that she was being tried for ``allegations or serious sins'' unrelated to her activism, how strong a case would she have in court?.
bear in mind that barbara and the others of the dateline four say they did nothing more than speak for the protection of children and then publicly challenged the wt to publicly state their accusations and evidence, and that they would indemnify them against any charges arising therefrom.. so.... if they call her a sinner, say that her sin has nothing to do with whistle-blowing and is serious enough to merit expulsion -- as serious as adultery or theft, yet refuse to accept her challenge to show the world the basis of their charges if they are held harmless, how is that not libel and therefore actionable?
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Dutchie
"Serious sins" such as "Apostasy" and "Causing Divisions" within the JW Church are left to the WTS's discretion to define. To try to dispute such in the Courts would require a court to intrude on ground prohibited by the US Const.
So perhaps the lawsuit could deal with the effects of the "Apostasy" and "Causing Division." charges. If she can show that she sustained damages as a result of the aforementioned she may have a case. Especially, if she can prove that the charges were false. Of course, these damages have to be substantiated and so it would be a good idea for her to begin seeing a mental health specialist and tell him of the psychological damage she is suffering, perhaps even get medication as well as show that she is no longer interested or could attend to her day to day activities. These matters have to be challenged in the courts. Even religions can be held responsible for the decisions they make.
The watchtower may consider this a nuisance suit and pay her off just to get rid of her. Its been done before. Then again, maybe not. They won't want the exposure but they are not afraid of it either. They can go to court and lie and evade the issue, just as they have done in the past.
What do you think, AngryXJ?
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Venting. Need some ideas. (long)
by Mimilly ini need to vent because i feel like i'm going to explode.
please bear with me while i 'try' to describe what is going on.
in less than two weeks my baby graduates high school.
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Dutchie
First of all, Mimilly, congratulations to both you and your daughter on her graduation. You don't look old enough to have such a big daughter.
I'm so sorry that things are not working out for you right now. But you have such a positive attitude about your circumstances and you have applied to go to school so I am sure that things will pick up for you. Some people have no options and sometimes you kow that they are just going to be poor all their lives. You, though, seem to have options and you want to work and you want things to get better so you are ahead of the game. I wish you all the luck in the world. You seem to be a well adjusted grounded individual and I just know that you are going to land on your feet.
I know that on special days we want to give our kids presents. Its only natural. But your daughter is practically grown and I am sure she realizes your circumstances. She knows that if you had money you would buy her a present. You can only do what you can do, Mimilly. You can't beat yourself up for things you have no control over.
I wish you the best of luck.
(What did you want to get her?)
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Society's Video: "To The Ends Of The Earth...
by IslandWoman in"to the ends of the earth" is the title of a 1995 video made by the watchtower.
this video highlighting the gilead missionaries, their schooling and daily life at their assignment, is imo, the most beautiful video the society has ever made.
it is also their most dangerous!
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Dutchie
I agree wholeheartedly. What a waste of young lives .