i remember as a kid (in the late 80's early 90's) seeing ray franz picture in some kind of publication and being told by my mother that he was a gb member that became an apostate and wrote a book.. does anyone know what publication this could have been?
i haven't been able to find it anywhere..
There was an article in TIME magazine:
By Richard N. Ostling Monday, Feb. 22, 1982 Subscriber content preview. Subscribe now or Log-In
Read more: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,922767,00.html#ixzz2XVXjIk1S
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the text i used in my analysis, "the truth changes: watchtower july 15, 2013" comes from the "study" edition of that magazine.. it is still available at: http://www.jwstudies.com/the_truth_changes.pdf.
i have now used the text from the "simplified" edition, and it is available at:.
http://www.jwstudies.com/the_truth_changes_in_the_simplified_watchtower.pdf.
Doug: I thought they saw this government composed of 144,001 spirit-anointed persons and that the total entity was in some way the FDS, with the GB being its voice.
I don't think they saw the FDS as all the anointed both those resurrected to heaven and the remnant on earth but only the anointed while on earth.
*** w0711/1p.30par.12SearchingInto“theDeepThingsofGod”***
We accept the teaching that all of the anointed ones living on earth at any given time constitute “the faithful and discreet slave” that Jesus said would provide timely “food” for his domestics. (Matthew 24:45)
*** w059/15p.22par.9GoOnWalkingasJesusChristWalked***
9 The “master” is Jesus Christ. The “slave” is the group of anointed Christians on earth. This slave class is entrusted with caring for Jesus’ earthly interests and with providing timely spiritual food. A small group of qualified overseers from among the composite “faithful and discreet slave” form the Governing Body, serving as the representative of the slave class
*** w043/1p.10par.9A“Slave”WhoIsBothFaithfulandDiscreet***
Hence, the expression “faithful and discreet slave” refers to all members of that anointed spiritual nation as a group on earth at any particular time from 33 C.E. until now
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comments.
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Paragraph 7:
“In 1942, in themidst of World War II, Nathan H. Knorrdelivered the thrilling discourse “Peace—Can It Last?” In it, he identified the“scarlet-colored wild beast” of Revelation 17”
This was actually a correction of a previously held view. It had been taught that the beast was the Hague World Court which went into the abyss when World War I began and came out as the League of Nations. Knorr now identified it as the League of Nations that went into the abyss when World War II began and came out as the United Nations.
Light book 2 published in 1930
Page 86:
“This ‘scarlet coloured beast’ first came into view in 1899 under the name of ‘The Hague International Peace Conference’ “
Page 94:
“It came into existence in 1899 and functioned until the World War. It then went into the abyss and ceased to function. After the World War it came out of the abyss or pit and began to function again in the form of the League of Nations.”
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for those who might be interested.. http://www.fullbooks.com/the-harp-of-god1.html.
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gb's study article on the 'exegesis of jack and jill'.
verse 1: "jack and jill went up the hill, to fetch a pail of water.".
the word "and" presents some difficulties which are not apparent to the casual reader.
Many years ago I had a recording of the interpretation of "Little Miss Muffett". It may have been given at a Witnesses Now for Jesus convention.
It was very funny. Does anyone have it?
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the elders stopped by today.
they spoke of a new arrangement where the org is asking everyone to come back regardless of their sins.
they just want them to come back with impunity.
Perhaps this visit was a result of this letter:
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/188898/1/New-BOE-letter-on-inactive-ones
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not long ago someone posted a list of jw core beliefs -- some 39 or 44 or something like that.
it may even be on the watchtower's own web site.. anyone?.
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Approved association with Jehovah’s Witnesses requires accepting the entire range of the true teachings of the Bible, including those Scriptural beliefs that are unique to Jehovah’s Witnesses. What do such beliefs include?
That the great issue before humankind is the rightfulness of Jehovah’s sovereignty, which is why he has allowed wickedness so long. (Ezekiel 25:17)
That Jesus Christ had a prehuman existence and is subordinate to his heavenly Father. (John 14:28)
That there is a "faithful and discreet slave" upon earth today ‘entrusted with all of Jesus’ earthly interests,’ which slave is associated with the Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses. (Matthew 24:45-47)
That 1914 marked the end of the Gentile Times and the establishment of the Kingdom of God in the heavens, as well as the time for Christ’s foretold presence. (Luke 21:7-24; Revelation 11:15–12:10)
W86 4/1 pp30-31 Question from Readers
hey everyone,.
getting some feedback, what would you say are the core teachings or were the core teachings of the jehovah's witnesses.
the teachings that make them unique, the teachings that if they weren't there the jehovah's witnesses wouldn't exist.. i would say the teaching of 1914 and god choosing jws as the right religion would probably be the core teaching.
*** w86 4/1 pp. 30-31 Questions From Readers ***
Approved association with Jehovah's Witnesses requires accepting the entire range of the true teachings of the Bible, including those Scriptural beliefs that are unique to Jehovah's Witnesses. What do such beliefs include?
That the great issue before humankind is the rightfulness of Jehovah's sovereignty, which is why he has allowed wickedness so long. (Ezekiel 25:17) That Jesus Christ had a prehuman existence and is subordinate to his heavenly Father. (John 14:28) That there is a "faithful and discreet slave" upon earth today 'entrusted with all of Jesus' earthly interests,' which slave is associated with the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses. (Matthew 24:45-47) That 1914 marked the end of the Gentile Times and the establishment of the Kingdom of God in the heavens, as well as the time for Christ's foretold presence. (Luke 21:7-24; Revelation 11:15–12:10) That only 144,000 Christians will receive the heavenly reward. (Revelation 14:1, 3) That Armageddon, referring to the battle of the great day of God the Almighty, is near. (Revelation 16:14, 16; 19:11-21) That it will be followed by Christ's Millennial Reign, which will restore an earth-wide paradise. That the first to enjoy it will be the present "great crowd" of Jesus' "other sheep."—John 10:16; Revelation 7:9-17; 21:3, 4.
one of the issues that really helped me open my eyes to the fallacy of the claims of the "faithful and discreet slave" class is that they have not been right on anything they said would happen in the future.
every instance of "new light" is simply a hindsight adjustment and their attempt to allign the beliefs with what actually is happening or already occurred.
when you examine all of their dates, and what was supposed to happen on them, as well as the generation of 1914 and the date of the sealing of the annointed, etc, etc, can you think of anything the f&ds has accurately foretold by means of "jehovahs" spirit.. don.
The Hague/ League of Nations/ United Nations
"But in the second volume of Light the League of Nations was associated with this prophetic vision, exactly as Vine had done eleven years earlier. The "scarlet colored beast" (Rev. 17:3) was explained to be "The Hague International Peace Conference," formed in 1899. 14This organization "functioned until the World War. It then went into the abyss and ceased to function. After the World War it came out of the abyss or pit and began to function again in the form of the League of Nations." 15 This understanding was prevalent until 1942 (see for instance the book Enemies 1937, pp. 283ff.), when it dawned upon the Watch Tower leaders that World War II would not develop into Armageddon either. Another interpretation of Revelation 17, therefore, became necessary."
THE LEAGUE OF NATIONS AND THE UNITED NATIONS IN PROPHETIC SPECULATION
comments you will not hear at the 11-2-08 wt study (august 15, 2008, pages 21-25) (pure language).
are you speaking the "pure language" fluently?
speaking the pure language fluently .
The WT reads an awful lot into this scripture (Zeph. 3:9).
Another scripture that may have a bearing on the understanding of it is Hosea 2:16, 17: "In that day," declares the LORD, "you will call me 'my husband', you will no longer call me 'my master.' I will remove the names of the Baals from her lips; no longer will their names be invoked." (NIV)
NIV footnote: husband...master...Baals. A play on words. Of the two Hebrew words for husband, one (master) is identical with the name of the god Baal...There will be such a vigorous reaction against Baal worship that this Hebrew word for "master" will no longer be used of the Lord.
