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  Comments You Will Not Hear At the 2-18-07 WT Study (1st Resurrection)

  by blondie in

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  "the first resurrection" now under way!.

  "-1 thessalonians 4:16.. .

  over 90,434 at the memorial in 1925 at a time when all were anointed, ten years before the "great crowd" doctrine was presented in 1935. there are 120, plus 3,000 then 5,000 alone reported in the first few years of the christian congregation.. *** w67 11/15 p. 694 par.

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  bernadette

  thanks blondie

  paragraph 11 had me
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  The vote is in: SCIENCE vs RELIGION......who won?

  by Terry in

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  history has demonstrated:.

  religion is following orders by implicitly trusting someone or something.. science asks questions.. religion purports to answer questions.. science seeks to disprove its own conclusions.. religion seeks to reinforce its own dogma.. science is error-correction toward adjusting for realities as they unfold.. religion internalizes against reality by mocking up a substitute.. science is the most recent development of the human mind.

  technology proves science to be successful in advancing human progress.. religion disdains human progress and waits for the end.

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  Speaking of Islam isn't 2007 the year of Rumi?
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  The vote is in: SCIENCE vs RELIGION......who won?

  by Terry in

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  history has demonstrated:.

  religion is following orders by implicitly trusting someone or something.. science asks questions.. religion purports to answer questions.. science seeks to disprove its own conclusions.. religion seeks to reinforce its own dogma.. science is error-correction toward adjusting for realities as they unfold.. religion internalizes against reality by mocking up a substitute.. science is the most recent development of the human mind.

  technology proves science to be successful in advancing human progress.. religion disdains human progress and waits for the end.

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  Terry perhaps all we need is a bridge between the two and maybe a love and appreciation for nature could be that bridge. I've read some really stirring comments about the inherent beauty and cooperation in nature from evolutionists that prompted me to look into evolution more than I would have done in the past.

  bernadette
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  My Bethel Experience Part 15

  by new boy in

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  the courtship from hell.......i started driving up to rhode island in september of 1972. i would go about every other week.

  i needed to "step down" as a book study servant, because at the time daryl christianson had come up with this brillant idea that all the book study conductors should visit everyone in their own book studies and everyone in someone else's book studies every 2 months.........so between, bethel, and a part time "g" job, going up to rhode island and shepparding everyone in the book studies, it was just to much.

  so for the first time in my life, i declined a "privilege of service"........it didn't feel that bad......and in fact felt damn good.......little did i know i was leaving one hell for another one.. what i 'm about to tell you...........is the absolute truth!..........we had 2 dates in a year and a half........that is two dates in 18 months.........."2" dates...........the only time they would let us be together with out a chaperone was in the field service...........the whole courtship was spent on her parents couch in the living room......with one of them in the other room!

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  bernadette

  very sad
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  Need some education on THEOLOGY? Start here! Evolutionists take note!

  by LittleToe in

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  http://www.monergism.com/systematic.html.

  http://www.rtrc.net/documents/wcf/hodge/wcftoc.htm.

  http://www.ccel.org/ccel/calvin/institutes.htmlhttp://www.lgmarshall.org/reformed/berkhof_summary.html.

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  Hope I'm not going off topic but reading the above reminded me of all the alienation going on in humans. Today we have psychology and psychiatry. but in those days they only had religion.

  bernadette
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  Need some education on THEOLOGY? Start here! Evolutionists take note!

  by LittleToe in

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  http://www.monergism.com/systematic.html.

  http://www.rtrc.net/documents/wcf/hodge/wcftoc.htm.

  http://www.ccel.org/ccel/calvin/institutes.htmlhttp://www.lgmarshall.org/reformed/berkhof_summary.html.

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  3. Sin in the Life of the Human Race. Three points deserve consideration here:

  a. The connection between Adam's sin and that of his descendants. This has been explained in three different ways.

  (1) The earliest explanation is called the realistic theory, which is to the effect that God originally created one general human nature, which in course of time divided into as many parts as there are human individuals. Adam possessed the whole of this general human nature; and through his sin it became guilty and polluted. Naturally, every individual part of it shares this guilt and pollution.

  (2) In the days of the Reformation the representative theory came to the foreground. According to this view Adam stood in a twofold relation to his descendants: he was their natural head, and he was their representative as the head of the covenant. When he sinned as their representative, this sin was also imputed to them, and as a result they are all born in a corrupt state. This is our Reformed view.

  (3) A third theory, not as well known, is that of mediate imputation. It holds that the guilt of Adam's sin is not directly placed to our account. His corruption is passed on to his descendants, and this makes them personally guilty. They are not corrupt because they are guilty in Adam, but guilty because they are corrupt.

  b. Original and Actual Sin. We distinguish between original and actual sin. All men are born in a sinful state and condition, which is called original sin, and is the root of all the actual sins that are committed.

  (1) Original sin. This includes both guilt and pollution. The guilt of Adam's sin is imputed to us. Because he sinned as our representative, we are guilty in him. Moreover, we also inherit his pollution, and now have a positive disposition toward sin. Man is by nature totally depraved. This does not mean that every man is as bad as he can be, but that sin has corrupted every part of his nature and rendered him unable to do any spiritual good. He may still do many praiseworthy things in relation to his fellow-beings, but even his best works are radically defective, because they are not prompted by love to God nor done in obedience to God. This total depravity and inability is denied by Pelagians, Arminians, and Modernists, but is clearly taught in Scripture, Jer. 17:9; John 5:42; 6:44; 15:4, 5; Rom. 7:18, 23, 24; 8:7, 8; I Cor. 2:14; II Cor. 7:1; Eph. 2:1-3; 4:18; II Tim. 3:2-4; Tit. 1:16; Heb. 11:6.

  (2) Actual sin. The term 'actual sin' denotes not only sins consisting in outward acts, but also those conscious thoughts, desires, and decisions that proceed from original sin. They are the sins which the individual performs in distinction from his inherited nature and inclination. While original sin is one, actual sins are manifold. They may be sins of the inner life, such as pride, envy, hatred, sensual lusts, and evil desires; or sins of the outer life, such as deceit, theft, murder, adultery, and so on. Among these there is one unpardonable sin, namely, the sin of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, after which a change of heart is impossible, and for which it is not necessary to pray, Matt, 12:31, 32; Mark 3:28-30; Luke 12:10; Heb. 6:4-6; 10:26, 27; I John 5:16.

  LT I pinched the above off of one of the sites you linked to.

  bernadette
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  Fun at the book study

  by Zico in

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  i know what you're thinking.

  how can you possibly have fun at the book study?

  well, it's easy to have fun with the revelation book, it's so full of forced interpretations and massive holes, you can just rip it apart (subtly, of course) it's also much easier to question things in a smaller group.

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  keep on joyfully planting seeds, Zico - some will bear fruit. Endurance is needed
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  What Have YOU Learned Since Leaving???

  by minimus in

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  anything you'd like to share with us??

  i learned that i truly was in a cult.

  i originally hated that thought.

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  bernadette

  I've learned I have an opinion

  that I was very gullible

  and can be alone and enjoy it
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  Is Atheism/Evolutionism Dangerous? Questions for Unbelievers

  by Perry in

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  does the belief that there is no all-loving diety in which to be accountable to make it easier or harder to treat and judge others they way that you want to be treated and judged?.

  since evolution supposes that life and ultimately man who is at the top of the chain got here through a process of the fittest dominating and killing off the weaker, and since most modern evolutionists in democracies no longer think that this is good to practice, how do you deal with the fact that you are a living contradiction of your own belief since you pronounce the same thing both good and bad?

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  Zenism

  Hillary-step - your comments sound fine to me - passionate but not objectionable - imo
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  Is Atheism/Evolutionism Dangerous? Questions for Unbelievers

  by Perry in

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  2. beliefs

  does the belief that there is no all-loving diety in which to be accountable to make it easier or harder to treat and judge others they way that you want to be treated and judged?.

  since evolution supposes that life and ultimately man who is at the top of the chain got here through a process of the fittest dominating and killing off the weaker, and since most modern evolutionists in democracies no longer think that this is good to practice, how do you deal with the fact that you are a living contradiction of your own belief since you pronounce the same thing both good and bad?

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  Perry

  I've been following the two complimentary threads with interest -

  Have also just finished reading Sam Harris' book The end of Faith. There's an interesting chapter entitled 'The Eithics of Good and Evil'.

  The point it makes (from an atheistic standpoint) is that the pursuit of happiness for oneself leads to the pursuit of happiness for others. Here is a quote

  "the point is that the disposition to to take the happiness of others into account - to be ethical - seems to be a rational way to augment one's own happpiness"

  bernadette