i believe satan comitted the unforgivable sin of blaspheming the holy spirit or some crap like that. so, doesn't that mean that satan's original gift of free will to all of a sudden change his ways has been taken away according to the WT, so even if he changed, there is no way he would be forgiven....that is if I have put their teachings together correctly.
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by The Dragon inif satan wanted freedom..shouldn't he search for the truth if nothing else is working?
(truth sets free?).
isn't that what a rebel wants?
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excerpt from www.watchtower.org...
by SB inthe official website of the true god.
here is a preview, w/a link to the rest of the information.
very interesting how they explain exactly what propoganda is.... http://www.watchtower.org/library/g/2000/6/22/article_03.htm.
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the official website of the true god. here is a preview, w/a link to the rest of the information. Very interesting how they explain exactly what propoganda is...
http://www.watchtower.org/library/g/2000/6/22/article_03.htm
THERE is a difference—a big difference—between education and propaganda. Education shows you how to think. Propaganda tells you what to think. Good educators present all sides of an issue and encourage discussion. Propagandists relentlessly force you to hear their view and discourage discussion.Often their real motives are not apparent. They sift the facts, exploiting the useful ones and concealing the others. They also distort and twist facts, specializing in lies and half-truths. Your emotions, not your logical thinking abilities, are their target.
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For what purpose did Brooklyn Bethel keep records of accussed pedophiles?
by Gill ini was wondering this, as i remember that leo greenlees was just moved to another congregation and that was all.. so why keep records if they weren't going to use them?.
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I dont know why they would keep records of "accused"paeodophiles.I would understand why they would have records of the convicted though.
they can't get convicted if they are never reported to the authorities. and then there is that scripture, "let no man of God stand accused"...(i'm bad at remembering where verses are though...). If I have understood correctly all these years, all it takes is being accused of something to have your "privledges" (i'm a horrible speller, sorry - i'm signed up for an english class this spring!) removed. So...how many things are the GB accused of? who can remove them? only each other? that's a frat house isn't it? held together by the bonds of brotherhood...
but, i ramble. :)
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Getting rid of WT books, anyone interested?
by unique1 inthese are the books i am getting rid of.
if any of you are interested in any of them for cross-referencing purposes or whatever, let me know and all you will have to pay is shipping to my paypal account and i will send it to you.
pm me if you want any of the following.
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i struggle w/getting rid of my pioneer book. all the tiny little writing and notes and colorful highlighting....it seems like such a personalized book to get rid of. that,my reference bible, and "organized to accomplish our ministry" with all my notes in it from when i was 14, studying up to be a good little baptized servant.
so good for you for getting rid of books/firewood! i got rid of a lot, but just a few, for no real emotional reason, just historical, are gonna stick around my place for a while. :)
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Little children deserve to die at Armageddon
by jambon1 infor the life of me, i cannot work this one out.
it disturbed me when i was a jw and it now just makes me plain angry.. here are some comments from ministerial servants & elders on this subject, which i heard when i was in:.
"you know, a while ago, people used to object to the idea of children dying at armageddon but nowadays there is a spirit in kids (massive generalisation), which just seems to make them fit for destruction.
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i guess i never did enough research on this subject b/c i remember having conversations about aborted babies being ressurrected, but it was field service conversations, not "personal study" with WBTS publications. but then....if unborn babies never took the breath of life...then are they teaching unborn babies are not a treasured life....a gift from God worthy of a ressurrection?...then why are they against abortion, why is abortion is considered bloodguilty....that seems to go in circles to me...i guess some teachings should not be compared side by side if you want to stay under their thought control.
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Little children deserve to die at Armageddon
by jambon1 infor the life of me, i cannot work this one out.
it disturbed me when i was a jw and it now just makes me plain angry.. here are some comments from ministerial servants & elders on this subject, which i heard when i was in:.
"you know, a while ago, people used to object to the idea of children dying at armageddon but nowadays there is a spirit in kids (massive generalisation), which just seems to make them fit for destruction.
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so, children will die if their parents are not baptized JW's in good standing, but aborted babies will be brought back to live on the earth in a paradise, and have a chance to "learn the truth", b/c Jehovah remembers "even the embryo"..(somewhere in psalms....proverbs???). So embryo's - INNOCENT. Infants, Toddlers, anyone under age 18 w/o believing parents - NOT FIT TO LIVE THROUGH ARMAGEDDON.
what about orphans? aren't we supposed to take care of them?
i started my own bible study when i was 10, and baptized at 14. i remember being told that it was a good thing I got baptized since my mom wasn't, so now I am eligable to live through armageddon. and i remember being so relieved!!!! but then sad b/c i realized that God was going to kill my parents.
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Elders Closing In....an update
by diamondblue1974 inwell an elder finally rang, and sure enough it was one particular elder i was close to when i was a dub; i still do have a lot of time for him personally as he is genuine.
all the same however, hes a company man and i am a great believer that the person who is going to betray (if at all) will often will be the one you least expect it from.
i think it was him predominantly because he/they thought his call could be disarming.. well, i spoke to him very briefly, and in that time he tried to get my address off me on several occasions - he tried to ascertain when it would be most convenient to call (to which i was non committal) but careful not to do anything which could put my relationship with my mother at jeopardy.
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sounds like you're a logical thinker, i appreciated the recap of your conversation. i hope your mother will take your words seriously. leaving a comfort zone, especially at an older age i imagine, would be difficult. it's not like she would have an easy time starting her life over. but it sounds like you were very gentle in dealing w/someone so psychologically damaged, as most of us are/were. i hope she thinks over what you said and admits some doubt that must be there. (how could it not?).
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Help Me Understand Something-Education/Dating
by tarhillsblue inanyone that can help me understand this scenerio please explain.
i am relatively new in "the truth".
i am struggling with some logical things here.
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if you truly are a newly baptized 30 yr old college degree man, let me tell you what's going on with the selection of girls in the congregation (seeing as how i was one of those uneducated girls not too long ago):
most likely, with some exception however, they are going to look as cute as can be, go out in service as much as possible, highlight and underline their watchtower,be at every meeting and social event, and stare at you while you give talks on stage hoping they are making themselves spiritual enough to be your lawfully wedded wife. because you are the package deal - you can take them from pioneer mommy and elder daddy, and support her in HER pioneering while you put that college eduation to good use and bring home the bacon! eventually though you should probably work part time and join her in pioneering. maybe start a window washing business, she can clean houses part time. then, if youre lucky, if you have a degree that the WBTS needs at bethel (free labor), you may get invited to join that special aspect of priviledged service to jehovah. but don't cross your fingers on that one cuz i hear bethel is downsizing. :)
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God and justice
by Aequitus inwhat is the justice in condemning humanity for the apparent sin of eve, transferring the crime of one to another, or the entirety?
where is the justice in exterminating unbelievers (most of whom may simply be unaware of 'the truth')?
people seem to value freedom as an implicit good--how is god's rule not authoritarian?
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governments get into polictical conflicts.
soldiers are convinced they should be willing to be sent out to die, to protect the governments they represent.(i have nothing against patriotism, it is just a fact...)
the WBTS's theory is you are either a soldier for Jehovah's government, or for satan's government.
die for jehovah or die for satan.
the justice the WBTS claims jehovah set up, is entirely to sanctify jehovah's name, that was "called into question" in the garden of eden. we're asked to be soldiers of jah, to clear his name. isn't that what gangs do? round up their posse out of pride? We are taught to "turn the other cheek"..."walk away when provoked"....now, would this really be following jehovah's example??
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Therapy or Counseling for ex-jws
by stillin4now ini am in the beginning process of trying to "fade" and have been dealing with depression and anxiety for a variety of reasons for a long time.
does anyone know of resources for finding counseling that is appropriate for someone like me?.
i have never been to a therapist and am afraid that they won't understand the unique issues of a person who is.
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i don't have therapy suggestions that havn't already been mentioned, but i wanted to say good job in seeking professional help. i did online therapy w/a councelor half way across the world for a couple months, but she really didn't have the kind of specialization that i was looking for but it was a good experience to get my feelings out. i'm a new poster here, but this board is very theraputic ~ anyways, good job and good example making sure you come out of the WBTS mentally healthy! i'm a firm believer after we leave, it should have as little hold on our intellect as possible. of course, it will be a lifelong struggle, but strength makes struggles a little easier to muscle!!
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