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  What Things Would You Not Have Done As A JW That You Would Do Now?

  by minimus in

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  as witnesses, we were very concerned that we might offend somebody's conscience and our actions reflected that.

  if someone might've been "stumbled" by our actions or speech, we would make sure we would do everything possible to not upset another fellow brother or sister.. i would not have gone to an "r" rated movie.

  now, i go to any rated or unrated movie because i don't give a sh*t what smeone might feel over my choice.. what things are you free to do without worrying that someone might be disturbed over it?

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  Wear what I want.

  Think what I want.

  Tell my kids they can be anything and encourage them to get an education.

  Want a tattoo and a bellybutton piercing. (Scared to do them both)

  Shame on me, but I smoke.

  Watch any kind of movie I want. (Don't like the ones with unnecesary violence)

  Also say bless you when someone sneezes.

  I went to a New Years Eve celebration at Universal Studios in Florida. (David Lee Roth was performing, couldn't miss that one.)

  Don't celebrate Christmas but went to a dinner my boss made reservations for the company's Christmas party.

  And some of the other stuff some of you have mentioned. (The unmentionables too, so what)
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  Reading " Crisis of Consience", What did you Learn, How did it affect you?

  by flipper in

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  thought this would be good to discuss for the newbies and others just getting out of the witnesses, so they can have their thinking and appetites whetted of things they never knew coming out from under the witness organizations spell.

  i know for myself, after reading this book, it totally clarified what the reasons were for all the control in the organization.

  and i was informed of things i never had a clue that were going on behind the bethel scenes.

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  I read it, I'll have to read it again. There is a lot of "political" jargon and some parts were difficult for me to understand. In general it is very interesting. Did it affect me? It made me realize that I wasn't alone. Lots of things he mentioned, the service report, the decisions on your personal and intimate life and else were right on the money. I felt uneasy about those things before, I just did what I was suppose to do without questioning anything.
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  Beliefs, Honesty

  by Hiddenwindow in

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  not too long ago, i heard a district overseer say, at a circuit assembly, something astonishing; that he would continue to be a jehovahs witness even if it was proven to him that god does not exist.

  his point was the organization and its moral standards protect people from a lot of trouble and that this by itself is very positive aspect.

  i could not forget such a statement and, just as an exercise, started to pose the following scenario to some of my friends, including several ministerial servants an one elder: if you some how determine that this is not the truth, would you continue to be a witness?

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  Cindi_67

  Hence, my question to you: Don’t you think that there may be a large number of witnesses who do not really believe in the WT teachings and remain there only because of the repressive methods of the organization?

  Although I am not active, because of my own experience and talks with some friends, a large number of JW's stay or will stay, because even with all the contradicitions and misuse of power, some (including me) think that it is the religion closer to the truth of the Bible. The only thing better to it is to become an independent Bible student and not joining another religion. But if it is to leave and look for another religion to go to, then they are right, there is nothing better out there.
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  If ur child died,would u visit the grave and always "talk" to them?

  by fedorE in

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  although i still have doubts there is life after death, i believe i would be hanging on to every last vestige of my son that i could and that means talking to him.

  talking into the air and crying.

  realizing this is his final resting place.

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  Cindi_67

  I definitely would. Wheather we believe that there's life after death or not, I would still visit their grave, talk to them.
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  evidence of angelic direction

  by tank in

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  i just came across this on the official watchtover web site www.watchtower.org/ .

  quote.

  jehovah's witnesses spend more than a billion hours annually preaching the good news of god's kingdom.

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  Cindi_67

  I heard a story in the Kingdom Hall that goes like this.

  Long ago, far far away, a man shot some sales guy that knocked on his door. When the cops arrested this maniac, they asked why the JW that knocked on his door moments before did not get shot. He stated that he decided to kill the next person who comes to his door, but could not because they JW had two huge dudes standing behind her.

  Even back then I speculated that this was an exageration. Surely this story just goes around and around and around ad nauseum. It all horse sh... oops almost said something nasty..

  AGENTSMITH:

  I am from the other side of the world from where you come from... according to the flag that shows on your avatar... I come from Puerto Rico and I also heard that story. I didn't know it was that famous. I live in the states now and in the beggining of last year a "sister" and her two sons ( or one) got murdered by this "mentally ill" man, son of another sister. They were helping this man to get back on track, he was friend with her son. But he decided to kill them that day, for reasons I don't remember now. This sister was in very good standing in the congregation, in fact a book study was being conducted in her house. They were found by the Book study conductor. I ask myself then, where were the angels that day? Doesn't seem fair, doesn't it?
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  GB's member Gerrit Losch on college in Monza (Italy) in 2005

  by Ancientofdays in

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  i don't know if already posted this video, but it's really interesting .

  i had a lot of rumor regarding this speech , but never listened my self before.

  the speech is in italian, but some nice guy has subtitled in english.

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  Cindi_67

  Going to college or not may be a reflexion of your faith, or lack of your faith
  
  YOU UNFAITHFUL SINNER.
  
  
  What will you do? What decisions will you make? Will you refuse or not? Will you get a university education or not? You will be accountable to Jehovah for this.
  
  MENTAL MANIPULATION.
  
  
  We would like to praise those in the audience who dropped out of college when they accepted the Truth, as we praise all those who after listening to this talk, will make the same decision. Maybe you still want to advocate the possibility of going to college.
  THE REST OF YOU ALL, SHAME ON YOU. YOU ARE SCREWED.
  
  
  We are not able to or willing to telly you what you should do. Your parent and you should make a decision. We are not the masters over your faith.
  
  DON'T WANT TO BE LIABLE FOR YOUR DEATH AT ARMAGGEDON.
  
  
  
  
  
  
  I would love to see more of these talks on youtube. I'd like to see how other assemblies have given this same talk and compare. Probably the same bullsh%$. But it'll make me more sure i made the right decision.
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  Did Jesus really die on a cross?

  by moomanchu in

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  believe it or not this was the very very begining of my demise as a dub.. i picked the simplest thing that dubs disagree with christians on and i thought surely i could come to a conclusion as to wether dubs were right or christendom was right.i wanted to start building my foundation of faith in them.. i can't believe they are still using this stupid illustration of the loved one murdered by the weapon illustration!.

  idiots, jesus wasn't murdered he gave his life ahhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.

  they have this on their site.. http://www.watchtower.org/e/200604a/article_01.htm.

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  I really don't see the point on debating whether or not he died on a cross or stake. The cross was used to kill criminals and that is very well known in history. We can't be certain. But the point is no matter what was used the problem lies on venerating the "weapon" used to kill Jesus.

  According to the Society he died on a stake. His hands were crossed one on top of the other and nailed together with a single nail, right? Then why is it that the New World Translation says: John 20:25 25 Consequently the other disciples would say to him: “We have seen the Lord!” But he said to them: “Unless I see in his hands the print of the NAILSand stick my finger into the print of the NAILS and stick my hand into his side, I will certainly not believe.”

  Makes you wonder.

  ONE NAIL

  The earliest writings that speak specifically of the shape of the cross on which Jesus died describe it as shaped like the letter T (the Greek letter tau), [11] or composed of an upright and a transverse beam, together with a small peg in the upright. [12]

  ^ "The very form of the cross, too, has five extremities, two in length, two in breadth, and one in the middle, on which [last] the person rests who is fixed by the nails" (Irenaeus (c. 130–202), Adversus Haereses II, xxiv, 4[2]).
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  Need a scan

  by cultswatter in

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  could someone(atlantis?

  ) please scan the waterfalls image on page 93 of the live forever book.. tips.

  1. if you are using scanner software then select the waterfalls image only(makes for a smaller file size).

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  Cindi_67

  I couldn't see it.
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  One more example......WBTS sells property owned by 90 year old after death

  by restrangled in

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  this may be covered some where in the archives here, but came across this today on the internet.. 90 year old anna bedford owner of one of the great camps of the adirondacks (preserve at green bay, 135 acres) dies and somehow the society becomes the owner.

  they sell for 2.250 million dollars in june of l988.. see the bottom of page 2. .

  link: http://nysdta.org/determinations/813952.det.pdf.

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  Cindi_67

  Well, the only way the Society became the owner of the property is that this lady put in on her will that she was giving out the property as an inheritance to the Society. After the Society becomes the owner then they dispose it however they want, if there isn't a family member that will dispute it. In any case if it was on her will it's theirs. What makes me wonder is that this lady probably left it for the Society, thinking that it was going to be put to good use, a Kingdom Hall or something like that, not that they would sell it. Who knows, maybe she thought that when she got resurrected she will be able to have her place back, I don't mean it in a disrespectful way. She was 90 years old, and those things cross their minds.

  That is what it's irritating about this, that her sole purpose was for them to use it in a good way, but not to go out and immediately sell it. That is disrespectful, if that is what really happened.
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  The Diary of an Armageddon Survivor

  by reneeisorym in

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  brother thorn told brother.

  i told him i didn't feel well.

  i told ed thorn that.

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  Cindi_67

  This post reminded me of a talk I heard many years ago. I don't remember the title but I think it had to do with 500 years after Armageddon or something like that. It started off on a right note, but all of sudden started getting very disturbing. The brother graphically, gave details about bodies scattered all around, and one of the brothers recognized one body by the watch he was wearing. It was a brother from his congregation. Then a few years into the "new system", in a meeting that was being held, a brother was remembering his son, that didn't survive, and blaming himself for not training him hard enough in the ways of the "truth".

  I could not believe my ears. I really thought I was the one hearing things. I had to tell my mom. I got out of that meeting feeling extremely depressed, but I didn't want to tell anybody how horrible I found that talk to be. I felt like that was the brother talking, because I couldn't believe that such discourse could have come from the Society.

  You have a vivid imagination, and to give credit to God I really don't think he would allow the "new system" to be like that. In the words of the Society: "Just wait on Jehovah", try not to ponder too much into how Paradise is going to be like." I really hope that the Bible is true when it says, that we will not be able to remember the things of the past. And I certainly hope that, if it is real, Jehovah will not make anybody pick up bodies after themselves. Although, that is some have taught it will be.