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5thGen update

by 5thGeneration in

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thanks again for all the advice.. had the big meeting and things actually went really well.. i wanted to avoid attacking the society at first and focus on my discouragement and burn out.. quoted the wt from sunday and told him this is exactly how i feel: "i have grown numb and become crushed to an extreme degree; i have roared due to the groaning of my heart.

my own heart has palpitated heavily, my power has left me, and the light of my own eyes also is not with me.

38:8,10.. to my surprise, all he did was quote a few things from the article and a few scriptures and asked if there was anything he could do.. it seemed that he was pleased that i didn't express 'truth' issues but that it is just emotional issues so i figured why mix it up now and bring crap up.. he left asking if i can at least try to hit one sunday meeting a month but he'd still like to see the girls try to go!

Cindi_67

Quoted the WT from Sunday and told him this is exactly how I feel: "I have grown numb and become crushed to an extreme degree; I have roared due to the groaning of my heart. My own heart has palpitated heavily, my power has left me, and the light of my own eyes also is not with me." -Ps. 38:8,10.

That was a great scripture. I know how it feels. The same happens to me. I try to place my missing the meetings on discouragement as much as I can, dodging all the questions that might lead them to know I just don't agree with the Org.'s teachings. I don't like to call myself apostate, I think that is too big of a word for me.

But, I support your decision of not coming out completely.

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Bethelite: Elder burnout, R&F disillusionment led to book study change

by pseattle2 in

please visit the blog: http://governingbodyletters.blogspot.com/2008/05/bethelites-viewpoint-on-recent.html.

a bethelite's viewpoint on the recent organization changesto me the most obvious reason has nothing to do with control, or money.

it has everything to do with the serious shortage of qualified brothers who can (or who are willing to) be used.

Cindi_67

This is what i suspected from the beginning. Burn-out is a huge problem in my area. In my hall the publisher to elder ration is 1/35. In another hall it's 1/55 (only 2 elders). Not to mention work, family, household responsibilities and personal study time; it really is too much. Add to that the occasional “the elders aren’t doing enough” attitude/comments from publisher and the CO; it makes you wonder if it’s worth-it. I tried voicing my concerns to another elder and I got the boilerplate remark of "I don't trust in Jehovah enough, I need to pray more etc..." Similar comments from the CO. Glad to see the word is getting thru to the big wigs. Future streamlining wish list... 1) Eliminate the "Pioneer's Assist" program (huge waste of time) 2) Eliminate the "Pre Service Meeting". 3) Allow shepherding to count towards service time. 4) Allow women to perform some of "mechanical" tasks (PO assistant, Secretary Assistant... etc).

I can't imagine the pressure they are going through. They have to preach at least 10 hours each month to qualified to be an elder. Shepherding, preparing for the meetings, caring for their families, work. There are not enough hours in the day for all that, and to tell someone that they don't trust in Jehovah enough, is outrageous.

I actually think that this ideas are great:

1) Eliminate the "Pioneer's Assist" program (huge waste of time) 2) Eliminate the "Pre Service Meeting". 3) Allow shepherding to count towards service time. 4) Allow women to perform some of "mechanical" tasks (PO assistant, Secretary Assistant... etc).

But you know that's not gonna happen.

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9-11 Attacks

by Tired of the Hypocrisy in

i think that the terrorists would have done better to fly those planes into wt branch offices.

there would be no need for the usa to go to war in iraq or afghanistan and they would have been hailed as heroes fo helping knock down an evil tower that casts a giant shadow of oppression, shame and fear.

maybe if any of the "goobering buddy" (ha i love that term) had survived the attacks they might have gone and molested osama and his little fruity indonesian pantyboys!

Cindi_67

Let see if we can pick out which innocents deserved to die more than the ones that did.
There are many serving at Brooklyn who were just as gullible as you yet you wish them dead. I find this kind of discussion so unpallatable. 9-11 was a huge tragedy. To try and turn it into some sort of potential religious vendetta against the Borg is disgusting in my opinion.
Human life is human life. I understand the anger against the GB but wishing what is posted here upon other humans simply due to a misguided belief is just wrong.

Although I agree with you, we are wasting our time with these people. Not too long ago another thread similar to this one was open, saying the same exact disgusting thing. I commented that it is not good energy to be wishing another human being the type of death this people inflicted in the Twin Towers, and that, that only serves to prove them right about those who fade. It doesn't matter how much we have suffered, or how much we are against their teachings, it is not necessary to post such hate in here. Their minds are as criminal as these terrorist and just like they don't have an excuse for what they did, these members don't have a good excuse for expressing the same kind of hateful mind. Just don't pay attention to them and their threads.

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Bethelite: Elder burnout, R&F disillusionment led to book study change

by pseattle2 in

please visit the blog: http://governingbodyletters.blogspot.com/2008/05/bethelites-viewpoint-on-recent.html.

a bethelite's viewpoint on the recent organization changesto me the most obvious reason has nothing to do with control, or money.

it has everything to do with the serious shortage of qualified brothers who can (or who are willing to) be used.

Cindi_67

It might have some truth to it because I just found out that a few elders from other congregations were reassigned to help in the congregation that came out of the one I used to attend. There was a removal of a few elders from their position. I don't know what happened but that's what I heard.

It made me laugh because one of the elders sent to help out is the same one that could give a sh** whether I went to the KH or not. "What a wonderful help that is". Bullsh**.

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Names have been changed. Why?

by easyreader1970 in

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the only time that the watchtower publication uses the real name of a person mentioned is when it's some biographical experience that is the entire article.

anytime a witness is quoted in an article or other publication, they always include a footnote.

"i studied medicine because i wanted to use my life to help people.

Cindi_67

I have to defend the Society on this one. There are a lot of people that will probably over praise this person if they actually know who they are; will see them as a celebrity sort of speak. I guess that is why they don't put the real name.

However, I will leave my two cents on this quote:

"I studied medicine because I wanted to use my life to help people. I also felt that the prestige and financial rewards of being a doctor would make me happy," recalls Seung Jin, who grew up in Korea*. "As I came to realize how little a doctor can really do to help, I became disillusioned.

This is where I see how they turn things around to play with the r&f minds into not pursuing a College degree. They make it sound like everybody that studies a good paying career, does it with the purpose of gaining prestige and pursuing materialistic goals. NOT TRUE.

The second part highlighted in red, is not true either. Sure, doctors are not gods, but the rewards of saving at least one life, is worth it. Why would they put down this career, when there are many JW's that are doctors, in fact, those helping others with the blood issue? If it weren't for them, those who believe in blood transfusions being a sin, will be crazy looking for somebody that knows how to deal with these situations on blood.

In this case they use this experience to their advantage, to excuse their teachings on College, but when it comes to doctors that have become experts on bloodless surgeries, they praise them.

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Who CONFIRMED the BIG announcement about the Book Study?

by Alligator Wisdom in

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this seems to be the topic of the week, if not this year.. out of the many points and countless threads about this topic, many have been speculative and of the reminiscing sort.

i was wondering how many confirmations we have about this.

there were only a few that sounded like confirmations that i found posted on this site.

Cindi_67

It is true, I have a friend who's husband is an elder, and she told me about the elimination of the Book Study meeting. I don't know if this a two part announcement but the Book Study part is confirmed.

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Is the WT banning vasectomies?

by B_Deserter in

i talked to a dub friend of mine who said they had a new "it's a personal choice, but jehovah will kill you if you do it" article about vasectomies.

basically, the reasoning is supposedly that since jehovah gave us our reproductive organs, tampering with them is wrong if not medically necessary.

Cindi_67

This is the problem I have with many things said in the Org. They can't tell you: "It is a sin, don't do it" But then they put all these

Christians do well to weigh such indications that God esteems their reproductive ability....these were not to be destroyed needlessly....

Christians... want to use ‘soundness of mind’ and shapetheir thinking and deeds by God’s esteem for reproductive potential...This would reflect maturesensitivity to Scriptural indications...Such a disturbing blemish on one’s reputation could, of course, affect a minister’s being qualified for special privileges of service, though that might not be so if one had in ignorance had this procedure performed.—1 Timothy 3:7.

You are still given the option to decide, but by the use of these words, how do you think one feels after reading all these negative adjectives and approach to your decision?

Then there's the "others" opinion. Nobody should care or feel that you are less spiritual than they are by choosing this methods of contraception. This is the problem, we can't think for ourselves. This bunch of dum dum's keep writing the Society for every decision the want to make, and whatever they say goes. That is why they take it upon themselves to decide over our lives what we should or shouldn' do. Aren't these people mature enough to decide for themselves using their own conscience.

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Did you ever love Jehovah more than anything else?

by nbernat in

you know that the wts teaches you're supposed to love jehovah above all else including your kids/spouses/parents.

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.did any of you get to that point?

Cindi_67

Also, most of the things I did were out of fear of being destroyed and not going to Paradise. And still, to this date, I have the fear that it will still happen because I am not an active Witness anymore. I grew up in this Organization, and years of beliefs do not change quickly.

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Did you ever love Jehovah more than anything else?

by nbernat in

you know that the wts teaches you're supposed to love jehovah above all else including your kids/spouses/parents.

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.did any of you get to that point?

Cindi_67

Good question because this is something I have been struggling with my whole life. At one point I think I did, but then I have never been completeley sure. I have always compare my service to other people's, and even to people of other denominations and I got to see that those outside the Org. showed more love towards God, than I ever did. They mention him all the time, they always say that "thanks to Him" they got to do this or that. I think a lot of people from other religions pray more than I ever did when I was active.

I do want to have a closer relationship with God, but I don't seem to be able to feel that way when I go to the KH. I think I want something out of the ordinary to be able to believe that he is there for anyone who needs it. Why "worldly' people seem to have their prayers ansered and sometimes we don't it is incomprehensible to me.

But good question.

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So what caused you to have doubts in the first place?

by nicolaou in

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i had no doubts at all about the 'truth' untill a friend of mine in the cong' began falling away.

in trying to help him i had to ask questions and do research and that of course cracked the doors of my mind open for the first time in over thirty years.. years ago, when jwd allowed members to have signatures, i used the following quote from voltaire as mine.

i still love it.. doubt is uncomfortable, certainty is ridiculous..

Cindi_67

So Jesus is the mediator between the Spiritual Israel (those with a heavenly hope) and God and not the World and God.
Not according to:
John 1:29 John 3:16 John 3:17 John 4:42 John 6:33 John 6:51 John 8:12 and most importantly, John 12:47

These are all good scriptures. But let me tell you that if you point these to any JW, they will tell you that believing he is our Savior, has nothing to do with him being the mediator between God and us in the new covenant. These scriptures point out that he came to sacrifice his life for all mankind. Nowhere do they mention him being our mediator. I am not trying to argue your comment, I am just trying to make you see what their rebuttal will be if you were to try to prove it only with those Scriptures.

I am as confused as a lot of people about the belief that he is not our Mediator, only for the anointed, because that is why we pray in his name. And of course nowhere in the Bible have I read that some Organization is our mediator between us and Jesus then God.

That really made me think. But in your research, try and find other scriptures that will mention mediation between us, "the other sheep" and God.

Cindi_67

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