as i understand it, being gay is not a sin in the organization, only homosexual acts are sins.
i've never read anywhere that gay jw people are encouraged to "fix" their gayness and marry.. i've certainly known a fair number of confirmed bachelor types who live exemplary lives in the witness sense - one life-long bethelite i knew springs to mind - but are clearly (to me anyway) gay.
they've all been in the closet though.. i wonder if any jw has ever been out of the closet, but not disfellowshipped since they don't have sex?
If a baptized JW who is known to have been struggling with homosexual feelings spends the night with another known homosexual, it could be considered for judicial committee.
I know that there are many non practicing homosexuals as JW's. If you want to be an elder, you keep it to yourself. Otherwise, you can talk about it with the elders and you won't be censured, although if you admit your struggling you won't be considered for those wonderful "privileges of service".
Gregor, c'mon, you are a handful.
*sigh* Ok, wanna shoot some hoops and talk about needing to go to college, not dropping out of high school?
ATJeff, of the Big Brother Class
i know i have been hesitant to show my pic on this forum.
i've decided to come out and be proud of the strong ex-jw i am....gradually....you can't see my face in this but i'll try to get up the courage to post it some time in the future....provided outlaw and all you horny apostates don't come on to me.. try to control yourselves, outlaw and john doe.
don't you wish your girlfriend was hot as me?.
That picture deserves a pat on the back!
wlwt.comrelated to storyvideo: frustrated owner bulldozes home ahead of foreclosure.
frustrated owner bulldozes home ahead of foreclosureman says actions intended to send message to banks .
posted: 10:42 am est february 18, 2010updated: 6:36 pm est february 19, 2010 .
The banks themselves who made the loans didn't know what they were doing which is why they started collapsing.
I don't know if I agree with this. The banks are businesses, loans are products, and they sold as many as they could to make their numbers. It's all about the business.
However, common sense flew out the window. I recall one couple who bought a house in 2003 or so. They couldn't afford it, had no money for a down payment, and we all asked them how they did it. They said it was easy. I agree, they were preyed upon, but they had a lot of people tell them that it sounded like a suspicious loan if they could get one. They took offense to this.
They filed for bankruptcy a year later.
wlwt.comrelated to storyvideo: frustrated owner bulldozes home ahead of foreclosure.
frustrated owner bulldozes home ahead of foreclosureman says actions intended to send message to banks .
posted: 10:42 am est february 18, 2010updated: 6:36 pm est february 19, 2010 .
Nice prose Billy.
I get what he was trying to do. To bad its illegal. In jail, he will get to know a new kind of bulldozer, and thats all I am sayin.
the elders stopped by today.
they spoke of a new arrangement where the org is asking everyone to come back regardless of their sins.
they just want them to come back with impunity.
eby, thanks for that link. I remember reading that. Here is the pertinent part from it...
The November 15, 2008, Watchtower, pages 14 and 15, paragraphs 12 and 13, states:
“Some individuals stop preaching and attending meetings because they have committed a serious
sin. They may feel that if they confess their wrongdoing to the elders, they will be disfellow-
shipped. But they will not be expelled from the congregation if they have discontinued the un-
scriptural practice and are genuinely repentant. (2 Cor. 7:10, 11) Instead, they will be welcomed
back, and the elders will give them the spiritual help they need. . . . The elders will know how to
assist anyone desiring to return and live in accord with God’s will. Loving discipline may be re-
quired. (Heb. 12:7-11) If the person acknowledges that he has sinned against God, has ceased to
engage in wrongdoing, and is truly repentant, the elders will help him, and he can receive Jeho-
vah’s forgiveness.—Isa. 1:18; 55:7; Jas. 5:13-16.”
As you can appreciate, good judgment is needed when handling these matters. If ques-
tions arise relative to a specific situation, please feel free to write the branch office and we will
provide assistance.
There is nothing here to indicate that a sin committed while away and inactive will be treated with impunity. If anything, what I read here is this message to elders, 'Ok elders. If someone comes in and committed fornication 10 years ago but wants to come back, hold a JC as normal, just don't disfellowship them.'
Thats what I get out of it.
the elders stopped by today.
they spoke of a new arrangement where the org is asking everyone to come back regardless of their sins.
they just want them to come back with impunity.
...although I have to say, the next time an elders visit can be called GREAT, will be the first time.
the elders stopped by today.
they spoke of a new arrangement where the org is asking everyone to come back regardless of their sins.
they just want them to come back with impunity.
I hear you South Central. It's just that there are a lot of lurking JW's who don't want to be JW's anymore. Maybe they want to try and fade, but feel they have to confess their sins.
Misinformation can cause a lot of trouble. I realize this is an internet discussion board, but its always good to discuss these things. I used to be up on everything when I first got out. Thankfully, I have been out of the loop for 4 years now.
Nothing personal meant on my end South Central. I wish you the best to keep those pesky elders off your back!
i think she should just try to bring it.
she's out-gunned.. .
It's clear to me that funny is in the eye of the beholder. When something is funny, I laugh.
If something makes one person laugh, its a joke.
If you get a bunch of people laugh for 30 minutes, its a hit comedy.
Say what you will, Family Guy is a hit comedy, thus, it is funny. Not to all, but to a good amount of people.
the elders stopped by today.
they spoke of a new arrangement where the org is asking everyone to come back regardless of their sins.
they just want them to come back with impunity.
Hey South Central, thats interesting. If you hadn't been around for a few years, but suddenly turn in time, yeah, you'll be on the elders radar for sure.
