Posts by AllTimeJeff

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Obama AG Critical of a Law He Admited He Had Not Read!!!

by XJW4EVR in

stand alone video is not available as of this posting.

however, if you skip ahead on this cspan video to 2:45:05, you can see for yourself how ag holder came to the opinion that sb1070 was unconstitutional.. so when ag holder was on meet the press saying that sb1070 "has the possibility of leading to racial profiling" he really did not know what he was talking about, because he had not read the law.

when ag holder called law's passage "unfortunate," and questioned whether the law was unconstitutional because it tried to assume powers that may be reserved for the federal government he really did not know what he was talking about because he hadn't read the law.. in the above video, holder said that he was basing his comments on what he had heard from the media.

AllTimeJeff

You don't have to like Holder or the law, but it is clearly understood by all. The media has correctly pointed out the potential for racial profiling.

The AG doesn't have time to read every law. In this case where a law specifically allows for racial profiling, (which it does) and Holder alludes to the many sources that have illuminated this and reported it, what does it prove?

Are you saying that Holder is in ignoramous that gets his opinions on laws from the local news? Ok. Thats your right. I sincerely disagree.

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Any Habs fans?

by 5thGeneration in

jw
friends

great game.. congratulations..

AllTimeJeff

Uh yeah. Not really.

Well, the Pens better use the off season to rest up and find some defensemen who actually play defense. Maybe a winger for Crosby that can shoot.

I say we trade Malkin.

Les Habitants better enjoy this, cause it isn't happening next year. They caught lightening in a bottle this year, so congrats to their holding, clutching, slow as an oil slick game. Rocket Richard is rolling in his grave.

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Would Witnesses REALLY drink the "Kool-aid" if the faithful slave told them to? Yes or no?

by Witness 007 in

a "spiritual leader" tells his followers the must put on rebok running shoes and "drink the cool-aid" to join a ufo in the tail of a comet and "go to a better world" so, afew dozen young people do just that to get "beamed up" to the mothership.

heavens gate cult 1990's.. my mother says "she is faithful to the organisation till her death" which makes me wonder if they ordered a mass suicide like the reverend jim jones did to escape a "great tribulation"....how many witnesses would really drink the cool-aid?...

without a gun pointed at their head of course!.

AllTimeJeff

I know, Mad Sweeny. And I think that many would if told, do that. But I personally see that hypothetical number as I said before, is broke down by being an educated (less supertitous) westerner vs a more isolated (and more superstitious) 3rd worlder.

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Would Witnesses REALLY drink the "Kool-aid" if the faithful slave told them to? Yes or no?

by Witness 007 in

a "spiritual leader" tells his followers the must put on rebok running shoes and "drink the cool-aid" to join a ufo in the tail of a comet and "go to a better world" so, afew dozen young people do just that to get "beamed up" to the mothership.

heavens gate cult 1990's.. my mother says "she is faithful to the organisation till her death" which makes me wonder if they ordered a mass suicide like the reverend jim jones did to escape a "great tribulation"....how many witnesses would really drink the cool-aid?...

without a gun pointed at their head of course!.

AllTimeJeff

Agonus, JW's are a cult, and I respect the discussion and your opinion. I disagree on that aspect of JW's being a suicide cult.

There are Catholics who would kill themselves for their church, and soldiers do the same thing in offering their lives for what they think is a greater cause. It's all a measure of degrees and devotedness.

But suicide cults are as they are not because of their flock, but because of the leadership. JW's do not have the leadership to do this, simply because since 1976, they are ruled by committee.

The best shot JW's ever had of being a suicide cult was when Rutherford was around. Since then, there isn't the circumstances, and there won't be, for this to happen.

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Would Witnesses REALLY drink the "Kool-aid" if the faithful slave told them to? Yes or no?

by Witness 007 in

a "spiritual leader" tells his followers the must put on rebok running shoes and "drink the cool-aid" to join a ufo in the tail of a comet and "go to a better world" so, afew dozen young people do just that to get "beamed up" to the mothership.

heavens gate cult 1990's.. my mother says "she is faithful to the organisation till her death" which makes me wonder if they ordered a mass suicide like the reverend jim jones did to escape a "great tribulation"....how many witnesses would really drink the cool-aid?...

without a gun pointed at their head of course!.

AllTimeJeff

The GB doesn't need to do a Jonestown when they are essentially grandfathered in as an American religion. With the amount of control they have won from the Supreme Court, there is no need, no rational, foreseeable reason that they will ever turn into a suicide cult.

That isn't to minimize all the damage they have done, nor does it forgive those that have died due to their weird idiotic doctrine. But, (as cold as this sounds) the deaths that have resulted doesn't indicate a suicide cult. There is a difference.

They are still reprehensible. (The GB that is...)

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Would Witnesses REALLY drink the "Kool-aid" if the faithful slave told them to? Yes or no?

by Witness 007 in

a "spiritual leader" tells his followers the must put on rebok running shoes and "drink the cool-aid" to join a ufo in the tail of a comet and "go to a better world" so, afew dozen young people do just that to get "beamed up" to the mothership.

heavens gate cult 1990's.. my mother says "she is faithful to the organisation till her death" which makes me wonder if they ordered a mass suicide like the reverend jim jones did to escape a "great tribulation"....how many witnesses would really drink the cool-aid?...

without a gun pointed at their head of course!.

AllTimeJeff

Mad Sweeny, I don't think the scenarios that have been brought up that could allow JW's to turn into a suicide cult are at all reasonable. And I think that discussions like this, while understandable and legitimate to a point, are also pure fiction,

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Would Witnesses REALLY drink the "Kool-aid" if the faithful slave told them to? Yes or no?

by Witness 007 in

a "spiritual leader" tells his followers the must put on rebok running shoes and "drink the cool-aid" to join a ufo in the tail of a comet and "go to a better world" so, afew dozen young people do just that to get "beamed up" to the mothership.

heavens gate cult 1990's.. my mother says "she is faithful to the organisation till her death" which makes me wonder if they ordered a mass suicide like the reverend jim jones did to escape a "great tribulation"....how many witnesses would really drink the cool-aid?...

without a gun pointed at their head of course!.

AllTimeJeff

Thats true leavingWT, but at the same time, while believers in cults WILL do most anything, it is my very strong assertion that JW's aren't that kind of cult and that the GB won't ever come to a point where this will ever happen.

There are better ways to discredit cults then comparing every cult to Jonestown. Most cults don't kill their members. Practically all cults isolate and control in their own way, but most are not suicide cults.

For the purposes of this board, Jehovah's Witnesses are indeed a cult, and some of their dogma does indeed result in needless suffering and death. However, they are by definition not a suicide cult, and as currently constituted, that will not change.

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Would Witnesses REALLY drink the "Kool-aid" if the faithful slave told them to? Yes or no?

by Witness 007 in

a "spiritual leader" tells his followers the must put on rebok running shoes and "drink the cool-aid" to join a ufo in the tail of a comet and "go to a better world" so, afew dozen young people do just that to get "beamed up" to the mothership.

heavens gate cult 1990's.. my mother says "she is faithful to the organisation till her death" which makes me wonder if they ordered a mass suicide like the reverend jim jones did to escape a "great tribulation"....how many witnesses would really drink the cool-aid?...

without a gun pointed at their head of course!.

AllTimeJeff

As currently constituted, most in Western countries would NOT.

Most in 3rd world countries, isolated from information, would be more likely.

I get that Jonestown is the touchstone for all discussions on cults, but let me just say that this will never happen with JW's. Yes, there is always the potential I guess. But the precise reason that Jonestown was so shocking was that it was so large and unprecedented, and largely unrepeated by a group that large.

7 million people aren't going to kill themselves at the behest of the GB. The GB is not ever going to ask or demand this. So while I appreciate the bottom line sentiment that JW's are a controlling cult, they aren't THAT kind of cult.

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GROUP PROJECT!(any programmers?) - lets find ALL possibilites for 666, with computer technology

by EndofMysteries in

back in the 1st century, when iraneus said that many words can equal 666, including latinos and titan, that spending much time to get them is pointless until it's actually taking place, and it will just serve as a 'confirmation'.

they also didn't have computers and could spend forever trying to come up with every possible scenario.

we can easily, with the right resources do that fairly easily.

AllTimeJeff

Huh?

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I HAVE JUST BEEN APPOINTED AS A MINISTERIAL SERVANT.

by african GB Member in

after being reinstated in 2008, i was finally appointed ms last night.. i am so excited now that i have a certain measure of 'power'.. ex-ms's/elders, what types of challenges come with this priviledge?.

what will be expected from me?.

AllTimeJeff

Ok, so you are a ministerial servant for JW's, which is akin to being an assistant manager for a cult. So what?

Wait, a Ministerial Servant would not be appointed with Jehovah in charge who comes and posts here. So, (sorry,) you are

1) A liar

2) Your appointment shows that Jehovah is as powerless as Brittney Spears chastity belt.

3) A troll, a bored troll, one who only takes the time to type here after all other activities involving your hand have been exhausted.

So, anyway. Whatever.