Posts by AllTimeJeff

i'm disappointed in jwn for doing what the wt does.. b-rock simply stated that he questions how people follow ray franz like jws follow the society.. no big deal.

his opinion.. if i owned this site i wouldn't take the jw approach to things.. 5th.

AllTimeJeff

Dinah, I know every southern pick up line ever. My favorite?

"Its buffet night at the Sizzler!"*

Nighty nite!

*please note, if you weren't born and raised south of the mason dixon line, you aren't allowed to join in the fun of joking about the south. It's rude, and might cause Civil War flashbacks. Might I suggest starting another thread about Seattle, Coffee, and Pikes Peak? ;)

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Ex-Elders please advice on my first Public Talk as a MS.

by african GB Member in

the topic is- "young people: serve jehovah wholeheartedly".. i'd appreciate various points that would make this talk appealing to my cong.

youths, but please keep it within jw boundaries because i don't want to give my elders any hint of me being an apostate yet.. i have to say that i am still enjoying my newly given "priviledges'', and am still so surprised that holy spirit has'nt pointed me out yet.. agbm.

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AllTimeJeff

Yeah, if I'm lucky.....

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B-Rock and censorship

by 5thGeneration in

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i'm disappointed in jwn for doing what the wt does.. b-rock simply stated that he questions how people follow ray franz like jws follow the society.. no big deal.

his opinion.. if i owned this site i wouldn't take the jw approach to things.. 5th.

AllTimeJeff

Dinah sweetie, I am billingual. I speak Yankee, but my native tounge is southern.... "Wanna hear ma coon dawg cawl?"

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B-Rock and censorship

by 5thGeneration in

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friends

i'm disappointed in jwn for doing what the wt does.. b-rock simply stated that he questions how people follow ray franz like jws follow the society.. no big deal.

his opinion.. if i owned this site i wouldn't take the jw approach to things.. 5th.

AllTimeJeff

Dinah, its actually "Wurd". :) (I hear southerners say it well....)

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Ex-Elders please advice on my first Public Talk as a MS.

by african GB Member in

the topic is- "young people: serve jehovah wholeheartedly".. i'd appreciate various points that would make this talk appealing to my cong.

youths, but please keep it within jw boundaries because i don't want to give my elders any hint of me being an apostate yet.. i have to say that i am still enjoying my newly given "priviledges'', and am still so surprised that holy spirit has'nt pointed me out yet.. agbm.

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AllTimeJeff

Cagefighter, how did you know I wanted to debate the merits of elders being resurrected if they died during an earthquake in a sex shop? And to debate it with newly appointed minsterial servant AGB is actually way more then I deserve. I barely merit such an honor. Please tell me I am dreaming..... ;)

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B-Rock and censorship

by 5thGeneration in

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i'm disappointed in jwn for doing what the wt does.. b-rock simply stated that he questions how people follow ray franz like jws follow the society.. no big deal.

his opinion.. if i owned this site i wouldn't take the jw approach to things.. 5th.

AllTimeJeff

5th, if B Rock did as you said, no one would have an objection. He isn't the first to say what he said.

I think it was the picture of a cartoon barfing, along with his statements that people here "followed" him that likely ticked everyone off.

He removed the offending image, to his credit.

You will note that his words were not censored, they were challenged. There is a difference.

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The Grandest "witness" that each of us could give to the world looks to be shortly upon us. Will you be there? (In honor of Ray Franz)

by StoneWall in

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many of us are aware of the stroke that raymond franz had yesterday,.

that he is on life support and it doesn't look like he is going to pull through.. someone on another thread mentioned if he didn't survive how many.

was planning on attending his funeral.. to me this deserves its own thread.. .

AllTimeJeff

B Rock isn't the first person to suggest that Ray Franz is the leader of those who leave JW's. Perhaps some context would be in order here. And I think that the context would further serve to honor a courageous man.

Ray Franz was a Gilead grad. Being a Gilead grad means that you turn ownership of yourself literally to the powers that be. Back in Ray's day, that meant going where Knorr sent you. I believe he went to the Dominican Republic if I am not mistaken. In any case, having followed a similar path, I have respect for any one who does this. Franz stayed in his assignement till the 1960's, when he was called back to Bethel.

As a member of the GB, he had it all, and he alluded to this. Anyone who has ever been through Gilead or Bethel knows that the GB define the big fish in a small pond dichotemy. They go wherever they want, do whatever they want, and participate in leading about 7 million people who are indoctrinated to adore them.

A GB member can single handedly appoint and remove elders, ministerial servants and pioneers, some CO's and DO's, initiate changes in branch committees, etc. It has to be heady. And yeah, green handshakes abound. A GB doesn't pay his way in the world ever. Dinner wherever they want. Gifts. (yes, gifts, lots of nice ones)

More could be said, but I hope you get the idea.

And Ray Franz turned his back on this. Why? To become leader of those who leave JW's? Please. Ray Franz left due to conscience, wrote two (count em, TWO books) that exposed the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses for what they really are. For this, he has lived off the royalties of those books since the 1980's, after giving most of his 50 some years prior to his leaving to a cult, and having no wages or social security or anything to live on in his old age.

Since he wrote his second book "In Search of Christian Freedom", what has he done? Has he led a movement? Demanded things of his former religion and peers? No. He has minded his own business.

Which makes the assinine, ridiculous, self @!#$$%*^& and ignorant comments of idiots like B Rock all the more inane. The "adoration" some idiots see is nothing more then expressions of appreciation, made by FORMER TRAPPED, INDOCTRINATED CULT MEMBERS WHO WERE DESPERATE TO FIND A WAY OUT AND WERE ABLE TO DO SO THANKS TO THE COURAGE OF RAY FRANZ, A MAN WHO LEFT EVERYTHING BEHIND, INCLUDING PROMISED SECURITY, IN THE NAME OF TRUTH.

I read CoC after I left, and recognized every word. His books validated my move, but how many people had that before Franz said "enough!"?

Context B Rock. Context. And for anyone else reading. This man left all he knew in his mid 50's with nothing to go to, all for the principle of honesty and truth. If this is the end for him, he led a life of conviction, context and courage.

Anonymous internet @$$holes don't matter.

In my own expressions here, it is my hope that 1) we can all honor Ray Franz in the way that seems best for us, and 2) those that disagree with such honor given, could they please suffer in silence with the horrible burden of watching grateful people pay tribute to a man who personally helped them?

It's called class. And as some on this thread have proven once and for all, you can't buy, rent, or otherwise procure class if you ain't got it. Ray Franz had it in spades. He will be missed.

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The Grandest "witness" that each of us could give to the world looks to be shortly upon us. Will you be there? (In honor of Ray Franz)

by StoneWall in

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friends

many of us are aware of the stroke that raymond franz had yesterday,.

that he is on life support and it doesn't look like he is going to pull through.. someone on another thread mentioned if he didn't survive how many.

was planning on attending his funeral.. to me this deserves its own thread.. .

AllTimeJeff

Regardless of B Rocks classless idiodicy, and regardless of whether he was ever a JW (he probably wasn't), I hope the spirit that this thread was started with won't be missed, and that anyone who wishes to comment on their plans should the inevitable happen will feel free to do so.