I am still stuck between Glennfidich 18 year old and Johnny Walker Green. I still haven't had a shot of blue yet. I might take care of that this weekend in lieu of Teddy J's passing. Seems like as good a reason as any...
AllTimeJeff
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Religion and Cults
by alice.in.wonderland ini've heard certain people here refer to jehovah's witnesses as a mind-control cult, high-control cult; theories perpetrated for how long i don't know, but at least since the days of ray franz.
i had spent nearly forty years as a full time representative, serving at every level of the organizational structure.
the last fifteen years i had spent at the international headquarters, and the final nine of those as a member of the worldwide governing body of jehovah's witnesses.
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What Hinders the Governing Body From Learning From Their Mistakes? Could Delusions Of Being Jehovah's Chosen Ones be to Blame?
by frankiespeakin inwe all suffer delusions but some are worse than others, and if the governing body's delusions of believing they are spoke person for jehovah are deep then they can not learn from their mistakes,, at least not when true honesty is involved.
this delusion will color things so heavily and cause them to play loose with the truth even to their own selves that learning from mistakes is out of the question for them,, i think this pathetic double get more generation time new light,, kind of gives you an idea that they ain't all right up stairs so it looks like we will be able watch them go from one blunder to another as they seem to be on auto pilot because of this delusion they have...
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AllTimeJeff
It is my strong opinion that the Governing Body is guilty of snorting their own coke. They really do think they are here on a mission from Jehovah, and that Jesus really is their brother. ("Jesus is just alright with meee")
On this, I really do feel they are delusional. I for a while thought I was hot shit as an elder going to Gilead, before life b*tch slapped me to reality. I have no doubt they fool themselves daily.
...and reading CoC, thinking about my own doubts, I also have zero doubt that they question themselves on occasion, even if it lasts a half second. Deep down, they know, or at least strongly wonder...
It's nice work if you can get it... Cult leadership!
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COME TO MY PARTY!!!!
by palmtree67 in.
it's a party for intolerant and/or hateful bigots!!!.
oh, yeah, and alice is pouting in the corner.. .
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AllTimeJeff
Sign me up. This one calls for a dirty martini....
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Religion and Cults
by alice.in.wonderland ini've heard certain people here refer to jehovah's witnesses as a mind-control cult, high-control cult; theories perpetrated for how long i don't know, but at least since the days of ray franz.
i had spent nearly forty years as a full time representative, serving at every level of the organizational structure.
the last fifteen years i had spent at the international headquarters, and the final nine of those as a member of the worldwide governing body of jehovah's witnesses.
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AllTimeJeff
AIW, you are a master bater.
I might be giving you too much credit though.
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Religion and Cults
by alice.in.wonderland ini've heard certain people here refer to jehovah's witnesses as a mind-control cult, high-control cult; theories perpetrated for how long i don't know, but at least since the days of ray franz.
i had spent nearly forty years as a full time representative, serving at every level of the organizational structure.
the last fifteen years i had spent at the international headquarters, and the final nine of those as a member of the worldwide governing body of jehovah's witnesses.
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AllTimeJeff
Did someone say cults?
A cult film (also known as a cult movie/picture or a cult classic) is a film that has acquired a highly devoted but specific group of fans. [ 1 ] Often, cult movies have failed to achieve fame outside of the small fanbases; however, there have been exceptions that have managed to gain fame among mainstream audiences. Many cult movies have gone on to transcend their original cult status and have become recognized as classics; others are of the "so bad it's good" variety and are destined to remain in obscurity. Cult films often become the source of a thriving, obsessive, and elaborate subculture of fandom, hence the analogy to cults. However, not every film with a rabid fanbase is necessarily a cult film. Usually, cult films have limited but very special, noted appeal. Cult films are often known to be eccentric and do not follow traditional standards of mainstream cinema and usually explore topics not considered in any way mainstream—yet there are examples that are relatively normal. They are often considered controversial because they step outside standard narrative and technical conventions known. [ 2 ]
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The Significance of Raymond Victor Franz
by AllTimeJeff inthe significance of raymond franz.
in the light of the passing of raymond franz this week, it is clear from the reaction that many were affected by the deeds of this man.
while he was called gentle by those who knew him (for the record, i never got to meet him personally) his reputation preceded him both in the ex jehovah's witness community, and still to this day at the world headquarters of jehovah's witnesses.. while his writings were indeed fair and reasonable, (i challenge anyone to read his books and find bitterness associated with him toward his former peers) i think it would be a mistake to remember ray franz as somewhat of a gentle, doting old man.
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AllTimeJeff
Believingxjw, thank you for sharing your point of view.
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Lakers or Celtics?
by minimus init's tied, 1 to 1. i'm with the green team over lala boys.
my prediction it'll be celtics in best out of 7..
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AllTimeJeff
Lakers. I can't stand the Leprechaun fart machines.
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The Significance of Raymond Victor Franz
by AllTimeJeff inthe significance of raymond franz.
in the light of the passing of raymond franz this week, it is clear from the reaction that many were affected by the deeds of this man.
while he was called gentle by those who knew him (for the record, i never got to meet him personally) his reputation preceded him both in the ex jehovah's witness community, and still to this day at the world headquarters of jehovah's witnesses.. while his writings were indeed fair and reasonable, (i challenge anyone to read his books and find bitterness associated with him toward his former peers) i think it would be a mistake to remember ray franz as somewhat of a gentle, doting old man.
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AllTimeJeff
I just wanted to comment on believingxjw and others who pointed out that Ray Franz was forced to resign, implying that he did not do so over principle.
My blog, as well as my impressions of CoC and the events described, are totally my own, independent of Randy Watters or anyone associated at Freeminds.
Clearly, Ray himself was at a crossroads, conflicted as to trying to see if effective change could be done from within. What stuck out to me as I read CoC was that Ray was planning on leaving, he took a leave of absence to make arrangements do so, and I interpret that to mean that his intentions were to resign his position on the Governing Body over principle.
The fact is that he did resign, even though it came quicker then he had planned.
It isn't my intention to argue over other people's impressions. The fact that Al Schroeder and Lloyd Barry among others had Ray Franz in the crosshairs since at least 1979 and effectively got him while he wasn't there, building a case before Franz knew what hit him doesn't change in my mind what he was preparing to do.
Anyone can read CoC and make up their own minds about that. I regret that my impressions of CoC have been interpreted by some as they have. In the end, as others have noted, it doesn't matter nor does it change the good work that Franz did, which is the most important thing.
For those who feel otherwise, I extend my apologies.
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The Significance of Raymond Victor Franz
by AllTimeJeff inthe significance of raymond franz.
in the light of the passing of raymond franz this week, it is clear from the reaction that many were affected by the deeds of this man.
while he was called gentle by those who knew him (for the record, i never got to meet him personally) his reputation preceded him both in the ex jehovah's witness community, and still to this day at the world headquarters of jehovah's witnesses.. while his writings were indeed fair and reasonable, (i challenge anyone to read his books and find bitterness associated with him toward his former peers) i think it would be a mistake to remember ray franz as somewhat of a gentle, doting old man.
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AllTimeJeff
Duly noted.
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The Significance of Raymond Victor Franz
by AllTimeJeff inthe significance of raymond franz.
in the light of the passing of raymond franz this week, it is clear from the reaction that many were affected by the deeds of this man.
while he was called gentle by those who knew him (for the record, i never got to meet him personally) his reputation preceded him both in the ex jehovah's witness community, and still to this day at the world headquarters of jehovah's witnesses.. while his writings were indeed fair and reasonable, (i challenge anyone to read his books and find bitterness associated with him toward his former peers) i think it would be a mistake to remember ray franz as somewhat of a gentle, doting old man.
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AllTimeJeff
Lets just clarify a couple of things.
Is anyone denying that Ray Franz resigned?
Is anyone denying that Ray Franz had already made up his mind to leave and was in fact, getting ready to do just that while the GB tried to disfellowship him in a witch hunt?
Was his leaving the Governing Body done over principle?
Discuss.