i borrow the phrase gb 2.0 from alltimejeff, who used it yesterday in the post about theodore jaracz's death.. i was interested in starting a thread that addresses the new leadership regime that has emerged within the wts, especially in light of changes (albeit mundane) the organization has undertaken over the past 15 years or so.
while few of us have had close contact with the men in charge, changes they have made in recent years surly reflect a definable leadership style.
it also reveals a little bit about how they view the organization and its future.. from what i can put together, it seems that there a few obvious things to note.. - 1999 seems to be the sea change year in terms of gb appointment and might be seen sybolically as a turning point in terms of leadership for the group.
CoCo
First of all, I rarely get to tell you how your gentle soul is revealed in your own writings. Hope things are well with you.
I have been referring to the GB of the 90's and beyond as Version 2.0 as a mockery, comparing them to updated computer software, mostly Windows, which always comes out with updates that don't work.
Every now and then, my penchant for being a smart ass comes in handy with writing.
Drew Sagan, great thread. I read it with interest. Good points you and others have made.
i've heard certain people here refer to jehovah's witnesses as a mind-control cult, high-control cult; theories perpetrated for how long i don't know, but at least since the days of ray franz.
i had spent nearly forty years as a full time representative, serving at every level of the organizational structure.
the last fifteen years i had spent at the international headquarters, and the final nine of those as a member of the worldwide governing body of jehovah's witnesses.
Mary, it pays to Discover.....
i've heard certain people here refer to jehovah's witnesses as a mind-control cult, high-control cult; theories perpetrated for how long i don't know, but at least since the days of ray franz.
i had spent nearly forty years as a full time representative, serving at every level of the organizational structure.
the last fifteen years i had spent at the international headquarters, and the final nine of those as a member of the worldwide governing body of jehovah's witnesses.
Mary, I haven't had enough JW Blue yet...
Wait, I guess I have had the wrong kind of JW blue.... ;)
I tried to call that number and there was a busy signal. I tried a 2nd time and the message was for me to bend over and take a Watchtower for this Sunday.... Needless to say, they were quite surprised to find 30 years worth of remnants of old WT's. (I had a JW enema)
Ok, thats all I have for gross metaphorical jokes....
i've heard certain people here refer to jehovah's witnesses as a mind-control cult, high-control cult; theories perpetrated for how long i don't know, but at least since the days of ray franz.
i had spent nearly forty years as a full time representative, serving at every level of the organizational structure.
the last fifteen years i had spent at the international headquarters, and the final nine of those as a member of the worldwide governing body of jehovah's witnesses.
I am still stuck between Glennfidich 18 year old and Johnny Walker Green. I still haven't had a shot of blue yet. I might take care of that this weekend in lieu of Teddy J's passing. Seems like as good a reason as any...
we all suffer delusions but some are worse than others, and if the governing body's delusions of believing they are spoke person for jehovah are deep then they can not learn from their mistakes,, at least not when true honesty is involved.
this delusion will color things so heavily and cause them to play loose with the truth even to their own selves that learning from mistakes is out of the question for them,, i think this pathetic double get more generation time new light,, kind of gives you an idea that they ain't all right up stairs so it looks like we will be able watch them go from one blunder to another as they seem to be on auto pilot because of this delusion they have...
It is my strong opinion that the Governing Body is guilty of snorting their own coke. They really do think they are here on a mission from Jehovah, and that Jesus really is their brother. ("Jesus is just alright with meee")
On this, I really do feel they are delusional. I for a while thought I was hot shit as an elder going to Gilead, before life b*tch slapped me to reality. I have no doubt they fool themselves daily.
...and reading CoC, thinking about my own doubts, I also have zero doubt that they question themselves on occasion, even if it lasts a half second. Deep down, they know, or at least strongly wonder...
It's nice work if you can get it... Cult leadership!
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it's a party for intolerant and/or hateful bigots!!!.
oh, yeah, and alice is pouting in the corner.. .
Sign me up. This one calls for a dirty martini....
i've heard certain people here refer to jehovah's witnesses as a mind-control cult, high-control cult; theories perpetrated for how long i don't know, but at least since the days of ray franz.
i had spent nearly forty years as a full time representative, serving at every level of the organizational structure.
the last fifteen years i had spent at the international headquarters, and the final nine of those as a member of the worldwide governing body of jehovah's witnesses.
AIW, you are a master bater.
I might be giving you too much credit though.
i've heard certain people here refer to jehovah's witnesses as a mind-control cult, high-control cult; theories perpetrated for how long i don't know, but at least since the days of ray franz.
i had spent nearly forty years as a full time representative, serving at every level of the organizational structure.
the last fifteen years i had spent at the international headquarters, and the final nine of those as a member of the worldwide governing body of jehovah's witnesses.
Did someone say cults?
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the significance of raymond franz.
in the light of the passing of raymond franz this week, it is clear from the reaction that many were affected by the deeds of this man.
while he was called gentle by those who knew him (for the record, i never got to meet him personally) his reputation preceded him both in the ex jehovah's witness community, and still to this day at the world headquarters of jehovah's witnesses.. while his writings were indeed fair and reasonable, (i challenge anyone to read his books and find bitterness associated with him toward his former peers) i think it would be a mistake to remember ray franz as somewhat of a gentle, doting old man.
Believingxjw, thank you for sharing your point of view.
it's tied, 1 to 1. i'm with the green team over lala boys.
my prediction it'll be celtics in best out of 7..
Lakers. I can't stand the Leprechaun fart machines.
