Posts by AllTimeJeff

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Hidden program in the new WT CD alerts Bethel who has visited apostate websites!!

by moshe in

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just imagine, if that was a true statement- or maybe it is already in the works?

do you think it is possible?.

AllTimeJeff

Good point Mr Mustard. Part of the talent is the leadership needed to pull that off. I don't think the GB has the inclination to do it or the trust in those who would have to do it.

The GB knows it would get out, and I definitely bow to that point. But tracking down IP addresses and linking them to people is one of those "more trouble then what it's worth" scenarios. I don't think it is as simple as it sounds either. If anything

Theoretically, yes, they can do it. But they aren't set up for it, don't trust those who would do it, and would much rather DF you then track you down.

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Hidden program in the new WT CD alerts Bethel who has visited apostate websites!!

by moshe in

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just imagine, if that was a true statement- or maybe it is already in the works?

do you think it is possible?.

AllTimeJeff

This post directed at Moshe or anyone in particular. As a general statement, I always wish to keep in front of everybody just how amateurish Bethelites are.

The idea that the GB or upper crust Bethel elders follows apostate websites as it relates to a campaign to monitor websites and keep track of moles is absurd.

(I do allow that higer ups DO visit, but for their own purposes and curiosity. As a policy, they don't really care what apostates say, just as long as their flock doesn't listen or believe them.)

Simply put folks, they can't because they aren't that talented! They can't follow moles on the internet, and they can't embed images in pictures designed to get you to become and/or stay a JW.

For one thing, they are cheap. They also aren't THAT paranoid. It has always been my strong belief that the GB believes, esp at this late date, that apostates will always pop up, they are collateral damage to be expected and best handled by disfellowshipping and shunning.

Disfellowshipping is the weapon of choice against apostates, not monitoring websites. Love bombing and lies are the key to recruiting new followers, not embedded spiral images stuck in pictures of paradise.

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What god is this?

by elder-schmelder in

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elder-schmelder.

AllTimeJeff

Looks like the symbol for the Church of the Unified Jetsons.

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Religious Reform

by Maze in

as a bible based organization, how do feel jehovah's organization should be reformed?

the answer is quite simple in christendoms churches:.

1. reject false doctrines like the trinity and 'all christians go to heaven' and use of images in worship.. .

AllTimeJeff

elderlite, been there. Started reading and posting here as an elder in 2006. Hope you can navigate your tricky waters.

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Is there a correlation between personality type and leaving the WT?...

by Tuesday in

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on facebook tonight there was a post asking to take a personality test, in posting the personality tests a trend started emerging that certain personality types seem to leave around the same time.. i came out as an intj which is introverted intuitive thinking judging.

which a good paragraph describing it was:.

intjs apply (often ruthlessly) the criterion "does it work?

AllTimeJeff

I don't think there is a correlation in personality type. I think there is a correlation between types of personalities who find themselves on the fringe of society to one degree or another. I think social location matters more then personality type, and social mobility is more of a key to making a decision to leave then personality.

After all, a stubborn person who becomes a stubborn JW make great JW elders. They are aka as 'extroverted @$$holes'. JW's take all types, all types can stay, and all types have left.

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Religious Reform

by Maze in

as a bible based organization, how do feel jehovah's organization should be reformed?

the answer is quite simple in christendoms churches:.

1. reject false doctrines like the trinity and 'all christians go to heaven' and use of images in worship.. .

AllTimeJeff

No Maze, it doesn't. You don't know anyone here any better then we know your friends. So lighten up, ok?

Or were you just admitting that it is personal between you and the apostates you know darn well you should stay away from?

Here is a great way as a practicing JW to avoid having former JW's not make comments about your supposed friends that we don't know anything about. Stop talking and stop stirring up shit.

Why do you care what we think anyway? You know "We're JUST apostates".

And you? "You're JUST a JW."

Get it?

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I remember an illustration "something" like this in a talk one time LOL

by therevealer in

my wife stood before me with some items in front of her.

without a word, she emptied a large jar of mayonnaise and proceeded to fill the empty jar with rocks right to the top, rocks about 2" diameter, then asked me if the jar was full.

i agreed that it was.. she then picked up a box of pebbles and poured them in to the jar.

AllTimeJeff

That is as old as the hills. For what its worth, my favorite version of this is in the book "The 7 Habits of Highly Effective People".

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Religious Reform

by Maze in

as a bible based organization, how do feel jehovah's organization should be reformed?

the answer is quite simple in christendoms churches:.

1. reject false doctrines like the trinity and 'all christians go to heaven' and use of images in worship.. .

AllTimeJeff

Maze, ok. We heard you the first time. We are disgusting. Duly noted.

Are you going to tell me I am going to get the shit kicked out of me by two seraphs instead of one? Will it matter?

Trashy and disgusting = me.

Beautiful and forgiven = you.

Ok. Carry on.

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Religious Reform

by Maze in

as a bible based organization, how do feel jehovah's organization should be reformed?

the answer is quite simple in christendoms churches:.

1. reject false doctrines like the trinity and 'all christians go to heaven' and use of images in worship.. .

AllTimeJeff

In the city where I live, I happned upon a Gay Pride parade Sunday. As I was walking through, a born again Christian was there with a bible yelling at all the gay men to "act like a man!"

Yup, it's great to hear "The Godfather" quoted at random.....

Of course, this horses ass was ridiculous. Many from the gay and lesbian community rallied around a young man who took it upon himself to debate the crazy, irrelevant man. This one man who is still waiting for Jesus, hates all gays, wants them dead, and was there, not for god, nor to save others, but for his own ego.

I give you his cyber alter ego, Maze. A poster who comes into a parade, not to serve god nor save us, but to indulge his warped personality so that HE can feel good.

Let the crazy person go. If he wants to be a JW, and hate us all, and condemn us all, ok. Duh. You don't prove a JW wrong by indulging them in their hate. We already know they think we are dead, right?

And do we agree? No.

Are we changing each others minds? No.

So I leave off with this thought: Maze, who moved your cheese? The exit is THATAWAY! We aren't going anywhere and you came HERE. If you aren't a hater, then stop acting like one.

The rest of us? Let's heal and love. It's all good my friends.

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Religious Reform

by Maze in

as a bible based organization, how do feel jehovah's organization should be reformed?

the answer is quite simple in christendoms churches:.

1. reject false doctrines like the trinity and 'all christians go to heaven' and use of images in worship.. .

AllTimeJeff

bartj, I think you are missing the point....

Maze wants to be a JW, and has made it very clear that we are all hateful apostates to one extent or another.

The points you make? Don't matter to Maze.

So let Maze be a JW. Remember, there are over 7 BILLION people who believe differently anyway. (and believe WAY differently then you OR Maze) Our petty disagreements don't matter. (I promise it will feel way different anyway in 2015.)

Why are you trying to debate someone who doesn't care about logic, and only wants to condemn? There is no basis for debate here. You might as well argue against a self righteous WT magazine.