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  What is your opinion of the news media?

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  to me they have an agenda and they really don't care about professional journalism.

  most are untrustworthy and that's a shame.

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  AllTimeJeff

  The confirmation bias on most everyone's comments on this topic is thick.

  All or nothing will be the death of us all
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  What is your opinion of the news media?

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  to me they have an agenda and they really don't care about professional journalism.

  most are untrustworthy and that's a shame.

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  AllTimeJeff

  Simon, I've had my say and I appreciate it. I disagree with you. They don't lie. If they frame stories and characters within those stories in a way you disagree with, that isn't a lie. They don't make stuff up.
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  What is your opinion of the news media?

  by minimus in

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  to me they have an agenda and they really don't care about professional journalism.

  most are untrustworthy and that's a shame.

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  AllTimeJeff

  To clarify, the stories that the traditional news media reports on are based on facts, not rumor or innuendo. Unless that is Fox News carrying on their Obama is a Muslim/Kenyan born national bull.

  Current stories about Trump's ties to Russia comes from Government Intelligence Agencies. I realize that some of you think Trump was elected to piss off the media. I thought he was elected to run the country. The dude needs to stop campaigning and start governing, if he knows how to do that...
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  What is your opinion of the news media?

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  to me they have an agenda and they really don't care about professional journalism.

  most are untrustworthy and that's a shame.

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  AllTimeJeff

  littlerockerguy, missing the point.

  My point is the basic day in and day out stories, especially where politicians and presidents are concerned, the stories on their merits are factual.

  Brian Williams also lied about something that happened to him personally, not the stories that he reported on.
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  Was There ANYTHING Positive That You Experienced Because of Being a JW?

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  was there anything positive about your jehovah's witness experience?.

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  Because the JW's are in reality a well organized sales and marketing organization, I learned all aspects of how to participate in and run one.
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  491

  What is your opinion of the news media?

  by minimus in

  1. social
  2. current

  to me they have an agenda and they really don't care about professional journalism.

  most are untrustworthy and that's a shame.

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  AllTimeJeff

  Sometimes these threads allow one to crystalize thoughts and opinions by working them out. So i appreciate the give and take.

  It just dawned on me that we are making a very big assumption: Having a Bias equates to a loss of ability to report Facts.

  NOT TRUE.

  If the traditional media has a bias, the more important question is, does it prevent them from presenting the facts and the basics of a story? What evidence is there of this. EVIDENCE.

  In Fox News case, it has in the past. It was just plain irresponsible for them to continue the Obama/Muslim myth. That was done maliciously and on purpose.

  CNN doesn't lie. Neither does CBS, NBC, ABC. FOX is the network that has been screaming bloody murder from the start. That doesn't mean anything.

  This entire thread is based on a false premise. That the traditional news media lies. THERE IS NO EVIDENCE.

  Your impressions are just that. And you can be irritated if you perceive a liberal reporting your news when you are a conservative. But you can't dispute the FACTS.

  I have biases. So do you. So I guess having a bias of any kind means no one can report the facts relating to a news story. That is not reasonable.

  But I am willing to put my biases aside for the truth. I would like to think most here would too. However, if you just want to make this about "biases" then I believe you aren't interested in the real story. You're just interested in your side winning.
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  What is your opinion of the news media?

  by minimus in

  1. social
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  to me they have an agenda and they really don't care about professional journalism.

  most are untrustworthy and that's a shame.

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  AllTimeJeff

  This thread has turned into a defense of Trumps taking a leak on the First Amendment by his supporters, which is their right, they won the election. (If not the popular vote)

  But hey, majority rule is for losers. Sad.

  Freemindfade, Fox News absolutely LIED. LIED. LIED about Obama. Not unlike what Trump is doing now. Do I support Obama freezing them out on occasion? No. However, that was ONE LYING NETWORK.

  Trump is calling out ALL NEWS MEDIA. WHO ARE NOT LYING. SO STOP IT WITH THE FALSE EQUIVALENCY.

  I realize this small nuance might have missed your attention, so I put it in all caps for the point to sink in.
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  What is your opinion of the news media?

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  to me they have an agenda and they really don't care about professional journalism.

  most are untrustworthy and that's a shame.

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  AllTimeJeff

  Freemindfade, got busy working. I'll respond later, other than to leave you with this for the moment...

  De do do do, de da da da
  Is all I want to say to you
  De do do do, de da da da
  Their innocence will pull me through
  De do do do, de da da da
  Is all I want to say to you
  De do do do, de da da da
  They're meaningless and all that's true
  

  Poets, priests and politicians
  Have words to thank for their positions
  Words that scream for your submission
  And no one's jamming their transmission
  'Cause when their eloquence escapes you
  Their logic ties you up and rapes you
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  What is your opinion of the news media?

  by minimus in

  1. social
  2. current

  to me they have an agenda and they really don't care about professional journalism.

  most are untrustworthy and that's a shame.

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  AllTimeJeff

  No President has ever attacked the news media as an institution until Trump.

  John Adams was so concerned about foreign influence (the French) on our press, he signed into law the 1798 Sedition Act, which made publishing anything critical of the government illegal.

  Great point LRG! Thanks.
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  What is your opinion of the news media?

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  to me they have an agenda and they really don't care about professional journalism.

  most are untrustworthy and that's a shame.

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  AllTimeJeff

  He's done nothing that Obama didn't do. The fact is that free speech works for all, yes, even the president. People can then criticize him or applaud as they see fit.

  The press are free to say what they like too and likewise, people can agree or disagree.

  Still waiting to see some actual evidence of any 1st amendment attack happening.

  It couldn't be that, OMG, the attach on the press and the 1st amendment itself is an example of fake news could it?

  No, that isn't fake news. And no one has acted like this prior to Trump. To parrot Bohm "But whattabout..." is about where we are at as far as a defense of his behavior.

  Re. the comparison to Obama: A thing I have noticed is that critique of Trump is nearly never addressed, but rather it is deflected by saying: but whatabout...

  Why is that? Have we given up on finding a solid moral grounding on which to evaluate our views on? Interestingly, this tactic is the bread-and-butter of the Russian TV propaganda.

  Couldn't agree more. Get rid of real facts. Call everything that disagrees with you into question. You leave no room for anyone other than those that agree with you and encourage an atmosphere or paranoia and fear. Just like a good "leader" should.

  Somehow, this is still the fault of media bias. *sigh*