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  "Those Who Leave Are Doomed..."

  by AllTimeJeff in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in mission impossible 3, ethan hunt (aka tom cruise) and his protege (aka keri russell) have an explosive pellet implanted in their heads through their nose by the bad guys as a way to control them.

  the only way to to stop it from detonating is to use a defibrillator or some device to send massive electric shocks to the body, thus short circuiting the deadly implant.

  hunt's protege doesn't get the help she needed in time, and she dies.

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  AllTimeJeff

  It's worth bringing up a lot. I think anyone who exits a cult or high control religion needs support.

  It Actually matters to the cult that those who leave fail. The more happy success stories we can show, the better.
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  "Those Who Leave Are Doomed..."

  by AllTimeJeff in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in mission impossible 3, ethan hunt (aka tom cruise) and his protege (aka keri russell) have an explosive pellet implanted in their heads through their nose by the bad guys as a way to control them.

  the only way to to stop it from detonating is to use a defibrillator or some device to send massive electric shocks to the body, thus short circuiting the deadly implant.

  hunt's protege doesn't get the help she needed in time, and she dies.

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  AllTimeJeff

  In Mission Impossible 3, Ethan Hunt (aka Tom Cruise) and his protege (aka Keri Russell) have an explosive pellet implanted in their heads through their nose by the bad guys as a way to control them. The only way to to stop it from detonating is to use a defibrillator or some device to send massive electric shocks to the body, thus short circuiting the deadly implant. Hunt's protege doesn't get the help she needed in time, and she dies. Hunt does get a violent electric shock that almost kills him, but in the end saves his life. (followed by the most incredulous ending of an action movie ever, but I digress)

  I thought of that movie after I remembered all the countless conversations and meeting/convention parts that talked about the many problems that those who are disfellowshipped or "apostates" have after leaving.

  There is some truth to this. In my immediate family, I have had two very close loved ones who have since died, all because of the after effects of their exit. One was DF'd and eventually took his own life after making many poor life decisions, especially with drugs and alcohol to ease the pain. The other just lived in a very unhealthy manner, drank a lot, and eventually passed from cancer. They were my brother and mother.

  However, what JW's and the GB conveniently omit is how they've sabotaged people, in essence, implanting an explosive device in peoples heads. Once you're gone, that ticking time bomb is activated, and you still see what they want you to see. You still see yourself the way they want you to see yoursself, and sometimes, only a huge shock to the system will disable it.

  Many who leave fill the need to engage in behavior that was previously forbidden, and so long as it isn't destructive or addictive, and you don't put yourself in life threatening situations (even as simple as drunk driving) then no harm, no foul.

  It should be mentioned more that anyone who leaves a high control group or cult, especially born-ins, have trouble adapting. You have been conditioned to see yourself as nothing without "the organization". You have everything to lose, especially yourself.

  The insidious explosive that the GB has shoved in your head detonates, and suddenly, you are involved in risky behavior, sometimes drug and alcohol abuse, abusive relationships, not even knowing that you are allowed to love yourself. And yes, it can kill you. And then you become a sad "experience" that isn't even related accurately....

  HERE IS THE POINT

  Exiting JW's need help. Some more than others. Forums like this help, but sometimes, you need a real "shock" to your system. If you have insurance, get help. Get some therapy.

  If you can't, forums like this can help. My advice, 11 years removed from this sickness, is to learn to love yourself. You don't need the distraction of drugs, alcohol, or co-dependent relationships to ease the pain. PLEASE BE SMART and deal with the pain. It can eat you alive, and explode in your head.

  Getting help, or sometimes, just a friend telling you what's really going on with you is a SHOCK! And that is fine. It can short circuit the control that can actually kill you. We all need that. I don't think it does any good for exiting JW's to feel that they are less than others, are somehow doomed, or otherwise to be used as just another anecdotal example to relate by the ignorant idiots who run the Borg and their congregations.

  Nope, the best revenge is to LIVE WELL! BE HAPPY! That isn't easy, and you don't have to do that. But reclaiming your life, and sometimes getting help, is one of the best decisions you can make.
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  Sample Disassociation Letter please?

  by LifesNotOver in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i want to send a disassociation letter to the elders at my old congregation.

  how do i address it and what wording do i use?

  i know it's not something i have to do, it's symbolic for me.

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  AllTimeJeff

  Just my total personal view.

  I resigned. I always recommend not using their loaded bullshit language. I didn't disassociate from my friends. I left a cult. It's not my fault that my friends and family still in are brainwashed from associating with me. Thus, I resigned.

  Keep it to one side of one piece of paper. Be concise. Think bullet points. They get Russian novel sized letters like this every week. They sort of scan them. They'll always read concise ones.

  ....Unless you need to vent for you. Just realize that if it starts heading into page 3, you're writing more for your mental sanity than for the statement it will create at HQ. Trust me, the ones they trust to read these letters are numb to them. What they're looking for more than anything are clues as to other apostates whom either 'infected' your or whom you might have 'infected'. (apologies for the harsh terms, that's how they view this stuff. They're cruel)

  The bottom line question is, what do you hope to accomplish with your letter?
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  All enforced shunning soon to end.

  by poopie in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so now you can share spiritual things with df ones.

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  Uh.... no.
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  Best statement a householder made to get you to leave them alone.

  by Esse quam videri in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  knocked on a door on a saturday morning.

  a window opened on the floor above me.

  a grizzled old man stuck his head out and said, " we're all heathens here!

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  AllTimeJeff

  Having JW's at your door is like shooting fish in a barrel. It's open season for the sarcastic.

  I've been told to "f*ck off" more times than I can count. I've been told if I don't repent, I am going to hell. I've had dudes in velvet shorts and wigs come to the door with their outdoor plumbing exposed. I've had women do the same thing trying to fluster me. (sometimes that worked....)

  Oh well. I've said "No thank you I am not interested' to the only two JW's who came to my door. (teenagers of course...) I personally can't act like a jerk to those that might not do the door knocking if they knew any better...
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  No more official visits to disfellowshipped & disassociated ones

  by AverageJoe1 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  new letter today (please visit avoidjw.org for a copy of the official letter and yes, i also noticed they got the date wrong!).

  february 28, 2017. to all bodies of elders.

  re: visiting disfellowshipped or disassociated individuals.

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  AllTimeJeff

  My take is that this solves the following elder problems:

  There aren't as many elders anymore, so why stress them out? As others noted, this was never done with any regularity even when I was an elder. With so much to do and fewer numbers than ever doing it, why not keep elders fresh for parroting what is in the latest WT from the platform?

  With the information age in full bloom, elders are going to run into more "apostates" than ever. Some could absolutely have their faith shaken belief system shattered by facts. Why not pick the low hanging fruit of a lonely desperate soul who comes to the KH asking how they can return? The GB knows that there are some smart former JW's who could mess up what's left of their internal control structure. No need to expose them to the possibility of real information.
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  How Old Was Eve When She Was Tempted?

  by berrygerry in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  has this question ever been answered by wt or biblical apologetic?.

  if near the beginning of her creation, would she not have had the effective development of a a toddler or even a baby?.

  if so, would you sentence a toddler or a baby to death for grabbing an appealing candy from a bowl?.

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  Echoing Blondie, at Gilead they showed a time line of what GB 1.0 thought as to their relative age.

  GB 1.0 (that really means Freddie Franz of course) filled in major gaps by counting backwards from 607 BCE and other JW established dates, which slip my memory at the moment. From there, they came up with some date as to when Adam was created, (4__7 BCE???) and then 30 years later, Eve was created after Adam named all the animals and such. 2-10 days later, s*it happened, and we are all still paying for it.

  I think this is in the old SI book somewhere. It's starting to be too long for me to remember the little details...
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  Do JWs Regard You As An APOSTATE?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i doubt people consider me an apostate but you never know.🤓.

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  AllTimeJeff

  I resigned and couldn't give two....

  However I'm pretty sure they view me as a big A
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  What is your opinion of the news media?

  by minimus in

  1. social
  2. current

  to me they have an agenda and they really don't care about professional journalism.

  most are untrustworthy and that's a shame.

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  AllTimeJeff

  The confirmation bias on most everyone's comments on this topic is thick.

  All or nothing will be the death of us all
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  What is your opinion of the news media?

  by minimus in

  1. social
  2. current

  to me they have an agenda and they really don't care about professional journalism.

  most are untrustworthy and that's a shame.

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  AllTimeJeff

  Simon, I've had my say and I appreciate it. I disagree with you. They don't lie. If they frame stories and characters within those stories in a way you disagree with, that isn't a lie. They don't make stuff up.