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  Motives Matter

  by AllTimeJeff in

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  there is a difference between the leadership of the borg (gb 2.5, is that what they're on now?

  ) and the sheeples, that for a variety of reasons, stick with this nonsense.. not every jw publisher believes this stuff.

  the gb knows this.

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  nicolaou, I surely hope we’ve all grown since those discussions. Those debates help me work out a lot of own thinking on matters. Very grateful I had this forum and others to help. :)
  
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  Why do so many that leave wind up coming back?!

  by nowwhat? in

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  i have seen so many that have left.

  and their life turned into a dumpster fire.

  most do not live the average life of living in suburbs, raising a family.

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  I’d be careful about buying into that narrative. Most who leave turn out just fine.

  This is just a personal theory, but I suspect that the “dumpster fires” you refer to are actually among the most injured by the cult. When they leave, they usually have no support systems, especially at first, and so struggle, and frequently make poor decisions. Most figure out. Sadly a few do not, including my brother. But that doesn’t mean everyone turns out like that. That’s just GB inspired bull crap.
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  The speed with which I exited!!

  by joe134cd in

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  2. experiences

  i was just thinking at how quickly the process was from pimi - pimo - pomo.

  i must of spent about 10 years trudging along in the organization very unhappily.

  but from the initial stages of learning ttatt to physically walking out the door the process took about 18 months.

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  It took Gilead to open my eyes. I actually checked out and admitted to myself that this isn’t the truth smack in the middle of class 119. Such horsehit taught that it was unbelievable. The day in class where I said that to myself, I looked at my now ex and everyone in the class, and they were writing that stuff down like they just said “2+2=4. Got it!” I just couldn’t get over the alarming acceptance of it all.

  From the time of that class to my actual exit was about16 months. I was caught in the rip tide, didn’t know what to do and went to Cameroon for about a half year before returning to the States.
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  Motives Matter

  by AllTimeJeff in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  there is a difference between the leadership of the borg (gb 2.5, is that what they're on now?

  ) and the sheeples, that for a variety of reasons, stick with this nonsense.. not every jw publisher believes this stuff.

  the gb knows this.

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  AllTimeJeff

  Interesting turn on the discussion. The Sheeples are a special lot. As an old saying goes, “If you don’t have anything planned for your life, you’ll likely fall into the plans of someone else. And guess what they have planned for you? Not much!”
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  Are you better off as a worldly person or a JW?

  by Jules Saturn in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i was having a conversation with a relative who has been inactive for several decades (part of the ‘75 generation) and he argued that a person that is a born in is better off staying in the organization rather than someone like him who lived as a “worldly” person but then became a witness later in life.

  he argues that when you’re born in, all you know nothing outside of the organization, so you’re better off in than out, that’s why when born ins leave the org, they always come back.

  i agree that as a born in, your social circle is composed of witnesses but i do feel that even born ins would be happier outside of the org than being in.

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  If you examine the statistics at any point since the 1990s you’ll see that the amount baptized is way more than the overall membership growth. There are plenty who leave and are worldly. They never post here or anywhere on the internet. They just left and moved on. For them, it was an episode in their life. This includes a lot of born ins who move on. Not everyone is a troubled mentally disturbed person because they left. We just never hear from the ones who leave.

  I’ve never been desirous of letting my JW past dictate my future. That’s why my calling isn’t in the online movement. I’ll certainly call a spade a spade with anyone who asks. But I just want to show the GB and former associates who knew me that, yes, I’m doing just fine without you and your shit eating, “Have a Watchtower and get saved” grin.
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  Motives Matter

  by AllTimeJeff in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  there is a difference between the leadership of the borg (gb 2.5, is that what they're on now?

  ) and the sheeples, that for a variety of reasons, stick with this nonsense.. not every jw publisher believes this stuff.

  the gb knows this.

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  There is a difference between the leadership of the Borg (GB 2.5, is that what they're on now?) and the Sheeples, that for a variety of reasons, stick with this nonsense.

  Not every JW publisher believes this stuff. The GB knows this. But if you play the game right, you can be called "weak" and be able to hang out with family and friends, with minimal fuss.

  The motives of the Sheeples class is not what this is about. Simply put, it's about the leadership. I learned this the hard way in 2005, when I studied the bible in depth, and the whole point of it was to "build my faith up" that the bible, and most/all of the major characters in it (Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Ishmael, Judah, Joseph, Elijah, Elisha, David, Solomon, someone stop me here...) all "prophetically" pointed to the existence of Russell and the JW's in the 20th and 21st centuries.

  So, why do you think there is so much "change" in doctrine? About things like the "generation?" Why do you think there is a lack of acknowledgement about 1914 and the generation that saw it? Why do you think they talk so little about 1914 these days? (Big hint, it is 2018...)

  The leadership is all about one thing, keeping power, and keeping their fruity little cult going. The scriptures, as I sadly learned at Gilead, are never about the Sheeples. Amazingly, throughout the history of JW's from Russell on down, the ruling class has used the bible to support their leadership, and because of that, you should follow them. THEY are the chosen channel, not you. THEY have a special relationship with (YHWH/GOD/CHRIST/THE LAMB). Not you.THEY get to partake of the emblems, not you. THEY are anointed by holy spirit, not you. When a prophetic doctrine has to be changed because it simply never came true and never had a chance, THEY get to claim that god's spirit is with them, and YOU were wrong to believe it, and remember, change with us because the holy spirit is with us.

  Motives matter. This cult isn't about improving your relationship with god. It's another sad exercise and peek into the human experience, that shows frankly that most people do not have, or do not want to, think critically or think for themselves. In farming off that responsibility, and not questioning reality or what you hold dear, delusion sets in, and you get groups like the Sheeples that live their life, unaware that it has never been lived.

  That is why I say, think for yourself, live a life you have dreamed and imagined, and go for it. Choose happiness in life, and don't spend too much time chasing this fruity little cult around. They are truly the wizard behind the curtain, and never mattered at all.
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  Lloyd’s new book

  by jwfacts in

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  i see there has already been discussion over lloyd’s new book how to leave the jehovah's witnesses.

  this includes discussion around his personality, motives and financial gains.

  i have written a foreword for this book, because it is an important topic that has not been covered in such a complete format before.

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  One thing about the internet, it shows what you're about. If you want to troll and find fault, you can and will. We are all mostly anonymous so we can be brave without having to truly confront. I personally think it is a waste of time to judge motives on internet and social media sites.

  Healthy confrontation btw, is a lost art, and one I have struggled with, but improving in. Healthy confrontation is about setting expectations and boundaries. It's way too easy on the internet to question motives, which turns into unhealthy confrontation, mixed with a lot of toxicity. (I would suggest it is easier and more relevant to criticize actions...) And I think it's a waste of time to confront too much on motives. Want to debate political or religious positions, or activities and their relative value? That's fair game. But you don't know me and I don't know you...

  A book on how to leave JW's is, on the surface, of much more value then some in the ex-JW community who sensationalize things JW's don't really do (like "seeing" subliminal images in WT art, or holding ritualistic sexual meetings at Bethel...) There is so much low hanging fruit when factually attacking JW's because.... (drum roll....) THEY ARE A CULT! Blood doctrine, child molestation, that is real easy. Stick to the facts, and help those who want to leave to leave. That's a pretty worthwhile endeavor.
  
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  Has this quote on hatred been true in your experience with JW's?

  by Wasanelder Once in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i came upon this quote relating to the results of hatred: .

  "i imagine one of the reasons people cling to their hates so stubbornly is because they sense, once hate is gone, they will be forced to deal with pain.

  has your hatred of the organization been an effort to avoid dealing with your pain?

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  PS, just my two cents, but if you stay angry at the Borg, you fulfill their "prophecies" about you. That is why I say the best revenge is to live life on your terms and be happy. (acknowledgement, happiness is pretty elusive even for non JW's, but it's worth the pursuit, or the decision to be happy...)
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  Has this quote on hatred been true in your experience with JW's?

  by Wasanelder Once in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i came upon this quote relating to the results of hatred: .

  "i imagine one of the reasons people cling to their hates so stubbornly is because they sense, once hate is gone, they will be forced to deal with pain.

  has your hatred of the organization been an effort to avoid dealing with your pain?

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  Oh, I think you're on to something, but it's not just hate.

  We are hard wired to avoid pain. That is why we procrastinate. That is why we lash out. We don't say what we really mean, and it doesn't have to be hate. It can be shame. It can be frustration.

  It's truly a rare person that can genuinely be in possession of themselves, and admit (or know) what is really underneath.

  As I like to say, anger is like 1st gear in a car. It's limited value can be in going forward again, but you can't do highway speeds in first gear either, or you'll eventually burn up and burn out.
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  New JWism in April broadcast?

  by AuntBee in

  1. watchtower
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  does anyone know what it means to be "securely wrapped up in the bag of life"?

  is this a new special wt terminology?

  they said it or a slight variant of it, several times in the broadcast, perhaps 3?

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  Yes, you too can be wrapped up in YHWH's "Body Bag of Life". Comes complete with a stretcher, usually used when refusing blood medicine...