Posts by AllTimeJeff

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JW Science Quote (1-29)

by TD in

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if you've been exposed to american entertainment at all during the last forty years, it would be difficult to be unfamiliar with the sci-fi character, "mr.

spock.

" spock was a character in the series, star trek, the son of a "vulcan" father and a human mother.

AllTimeJeff

Great post TD. Another black eye from the one man writing dept that was Fred Franz.... (for the most part.)

To me, this illustrates a general behaviorial pattern that the borg continues to display. Instead of integrity to facts, or quoting within the meaning and context of a source material, the Governing Body usually will always (yes, an absolute, always) fram an article and its concepts in a way that is favorable to them.

Clearly, they don't care that about things like claiming the heart could somehow influence thoughts and emotions. They just allow time to distance themselves from their embarrassing lack of research, knowledge, and care.

All literature produced by the GB is FUBU. (For Us By Us). This is why new converts are spoonfed selected points of dogma until baptism, at which point, the rest of the embarrassing bullshit is given to them.

They don't really care about getting it right. They just care about getting it to their flock, regardless of how (in)correct it is.

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Why Jehovah's Witnesses Are Discouraged From Using the Internet

by AllTimeJeff in

at a recent series of circuit assemblies, the governing body put out warnings on what in their view is the latest danger from satan, designed to break the faith of jehovah's witnesses everywhere.. facebook.. yes, thats right, apparantly, the gb is concerned because a lot of people are having "facebook sex".

they are meeting old friends who aren't jehovah's witnesses and getting it on with whomever would willingly sleep with them.

evidentally, the gb would like their flock to believe that when jw's get on facebook and other social networking sites, fornication happens.. now, this is news.

AllTimeJeff

Giving Attention to the Needs of the Circuit at Assemblies. While CO's can incorporate local needs after consultation with the DO, the Society will generally put in an outline certain matters they want discussed.

Also, social networking has been mentioned at all elder's meetings during the week of the CO's visit.

Is it in print? Not yet. But it is being taught.

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For non theists: Stages of evolution, can we develop wings?

by cyberjesus in

if the evolution of life is defined by adapting to a need and life develops as it is needed.

what if decide to live in trees and jumping from them everytime.

does it mean that we could eventually develop wings?

AllTimeJeff

If the evolution of life is defined by adapting to a need and life develops as it is needed. What if decide to live in trees and jumping from them everytime. Does it mean that we could eventually develop wings?

Well, there are other crawling creatures who live in trees and their evolution demands better crawling equipment. I guess we will have to wait and see if A) We live in trees and B) What will be the best way to get up there.

Lets not underestimate Apple inventing the iSuit, which should have a built in iPhone, iPad, and the iRocket pack for easy access to our new tree home.

Can we actually create planned evolution since we can now understand it and therefore influence it?

Are you talking about natural evolution or gene manipulation? I guess anything is possible in a couple hundred years.

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Jehovah's Witnesses and Calvinistic Predestination

by AllTimeJeff in

this is a complex question, and i just want to get a discussion started on the message of jehovah's witnesses and how it relates to their adventist roots, and esp calvinism.. bear with me, i will try to be concise.. we all know that while jehovah's witnesses like to deny adventist roots, that it is clear that according to them, the man jesus selected to get the whole thing started, c t russell, was heavily influenced by adventist ideas, esp the (adventist) idea that has really never left them; the idea that somehow, a time date or period can be inferred from the bible if you read certain scriptures through an adventist lens.

(thus, the 2520 years, 7 gentile times, etc.).

so while this is relatively well known, there is a concept that jehovah's witnesses teach against, yet practice.

AllTimeJeff

Hey XJW4EVR

Thank you for sharing your beliefs. As a caveat, I didn't mean to over simplify Calvinistic dogma, or any related dogma. As I am sure you got, my main point was in highlighting a JW belief that while they deny, seem to practice and believe in. To highlight Calvinism was merely to draw on that general belief system as a comparison piece.

I happily allow that I did a poor job in explaining the Calvinist belief system, and I apologize if I got it wrong.

I am curious however, as I now know you to be Calvin, if you agree with my opinion as to JW beliefs regarding their own seeming version of predestination. (which was my main point)

Thanks!

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Before It's Too Late ...

by The Berean in

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while i dont usually submit long-winded posts ... this one might well be worth it for those who do not fully realize the emotional and financial hazard involved in living as though the world, as we know it, is about to end:.

first let me say, bob and mary, i will call them, are a decent and caring couple who have been married forty or so years.

they were both raised as jehovahs witnesses and have consistently lived their faith.

AllTimeJeff

Well written. I agree.

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Why Jehovah's Witnesses Are Discouraged From Using the Internet

by AllTimeJeff in

at a recent series of circuit assemblies, the governing body put out warnings on what in their view is the latest danger from satan, designed to break the faith of jehovah's witnesses everywhere.. facebook.. yes, thats right, apparantly, the gb is concerned because a lot of people are having "facebook sex".

they are meeting old friends who aren't jehovah's witnesses and getting it on with whomever would willingly sleep with them.

evidentally, the gb would like their flock to believe that when jw's get on facebook and other social networking sites, fornication happens.. now, this is news.

AllTimeJeff

Even elders are told not to do shepherding calls on apostates. They can visit convicted pedophiles, they can visit serial adulterers if they want. But apostates are off limits. They are dead to the GB, because they are the ones that expose them.

All this is really is an attempt at damage control against bad publicity. They don't give a rats ass about anyones "spirituality", esp apostates.

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Commentary on the Letter of James

by lepermessiah in

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zoiks inspired this thread when he mentioned this book elsewhere.. i have read other threads on this forum about it, but i always enjoy the fresh insight on here.. commentary on the letter of james was always my favorite book from wtbs, partly because i love the book of james, but also because it was one of the books that dealt with more practical christian living than constant wt doctrine.. i mentioned to a number of people that i loved that book, and got a few comments of "well, you know that book was written by an apostate.".

it didnt take me long to do a little math - that book came out i believe in 1979/1980, right around the time of the great purge.

how could someone write such an excellent book and then be branded an apostate just a few months later???.

AllTimeJeff

Marked for later.

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Can WBTS be charged with crimes against humanity for those who die due to various doctrines, e.g. No Blood?

by african GB Member in

i know they always play 'freedom of religion' card, but from a humanity point of view, would it be possible to put together some sort of a case against this org?.

AllTimeJeff

Nope.

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Why Jehovah's Witnesses Are Discouraged From Using the Internet

by AllTimeJeff in

at a recent series of circuit assemblies, the governing body put out warnings on what in their view is the latest danger from satan, designed to break the faith of jehovah's witnesses everywhere.. facebook.. yes, thats right, apparantly, the gb is concerned because a lot of people are having "facebook sex".

they are meeting old friends who aren't jehovah's witnesses and getting it on with whomever would willingly sleep with them.

evidentally, the gb would like their flock to believe that when jw's get on facebook and other social networking sites, fornication happens.. now, this is news.

AllTimeJeff

I won't believe the Governing Body has any problem with facebook until I see it in writing. I see 3 elders, an elder's wife, and all the elder's children from my former congregation on Facebook right now. I refuse to believe all these witnesses are publicly contradicted Jehovah the Faithful and Discreet slave.

Ok. Fair enough. We have had plenty of people on here start threads about that CA discussion. In addition, I have sources I know who have told me the same thing.

There are letters out to elders and Circuit Overseers, with the goal of discouraging Facebook and social networking. It's that simple, and just because it isn't in writing, doesn't mean it isn't being taught.

I hope you will forgive me if I missed the sarcasm.

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"your just happier now because you don't have to be good any more!"

by highdose in

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sorry about the false start.. .

this above phrase was recently said to me by a dub, when i told them that i didn't attend any more and that i felt much better for it.

" i asked " did i have so much agony with low self esteam, self hatred and no confidence while in a religon that is supposed to have gods blessing, and yet when i leave it all those problems dissapear?".

AllTimeJeff

What an interesting statement. I noticed this myself while I was in when I observed some JW's leave. They were happier.

So this is the key part of the phrase to me. (indulge my tendency for over analysis please)

"you're just happier now because"

The first thing that they notice is that you have joy. They are supposed to have joy. (JW's that is) But they don't. JW's are trained to accept this because of course, they reside in Satans world. Happiness comes later. Suffering comes now.

Still, they are human. No one wants to suffer. Hell, the happiest time to be a JW is between the questions for baptism and that first year where you are continually love bombed. (and indoctrinated fully)

But it isn't enough to notice that you are happier.

"because"

At this point, it doesn't really matter what "because" means. All they are struggling to do is come up with a reason that is congruent with how they have been trained and indoctrinated to view you. They have been trained to believe that you can't be really happy. So the because part minimizes your happiness. In other words, you shouldn't be happy, you can't be happy. You aren't a JW anymore.

"you don't have to be good anymore". Wow. What a shocking indictment on the Governing Body. A good person doesn't need to come with an instruction manual. You are either good, or you aren't. But a good JW isn't a nice, humble or spiritually minded person.

You aren't good anymore because you don't turn in FS time, go to the meetings, and basically stay active in the indoctrination process of JW's. To the GB, a good JW preaches, attends all meetings, reads all their literature and keeps their mouth shut.

It's fun to analyze when a JW lets his guard down and actually says what he feels. I wonder if he realizes what he said.