It's nice that even admitted Jehovah's Witnesses will miss Ray Franz.
AllTimeJeff
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Ray Franz Tribute
by besty inover at freeminds we didn't want this day to pass without some recognition of the life and death of ray franz.
in view of his stated wishes not to have a memorial or service we hoped for something that he would have liked for all of us to take a moment over.. .
we owe a note of thanks to v for his graphics work and atjeff for the obituary writing - i know neither of them need mentioned by me.. .
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A Responsible Discussion on Ray Franz's Role in the Lives of Former JW's
by AllTimeJeff insince it was learned that ray franz went to the hospital and then passed away, most threads have in my opinion, correctly tried to give some honor and respect to a courageous, honest, and principled man.. some borderline trolls, who know many former jw's are easily upset (and they know this.
i know this...) try to take advantage by hitting on a hot button.
in this case, its to call you a follower of ray franz.. we all know that isn't true.. but i think that a legitimate discussion on this is in order.
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AllTimeJeff
Since it was learned that Ray Franz went to the hospital and then passed away, most threads have in my opinion, correctly tried to give some honor and respect to a courageous, honest, and principled man.
Some borderline trolls, who know many former JW's are easily upset (and they know this. I know this...) try to take advantage by hitting on a hot button. In this case, its to call you a follower of Ray Franz.
We all know that isn't true.
But I think that a legitimate discussion on this is in order. Is there any truth to that? Why or why not?
What were the real ramifications for you as an individual and for the JW organization (esp the leadership) due to Franz leaving and writing his two books?
One more thing: I have no problem if you are a person who genuinely feels that former JW's somehow either follow him or pay "too much respect." (don't know how you can give a good man too much respect, but whatever) And if you feel the threads on this or other forums upset you, say so.
But have some class. Do so respectfully. And better yet, rather then just say you are upset, why don't you say why? How you think things should be.
I won't tolerate on this thread anyone who tries to be a classless hack. If you have something to say, bring it. If you are here to insult grateful people, go somewhere else in your parents basement and watch TV.
Anyway, feel free to discuss if you want. I will start by saying that overall, I have felt that the expressions have been heartfelt and were directed at a very unique, honest, good man. I don't sense worshipful adoration, and I certainly have never seen evidence at all that Ray Franz led a group ever.
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Quick one-liners to explain why you haven't been to meetings
by gubberningbody in"i know it took a long time, but i finally made the truth my own.".
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AllTimeJeff
TOP 10 REASONS WHY YOU WEREN'T AT THE KH (with apologies to David Letterman)
"HBO finally did a documentary on "Debbie Does Dallas", which was right after "True Blood". Must see TV!"
"I've had the Knowledge book crammed up my @$$, which makes it very hard to sit down at a KH."
"BINGO!"
"Last night we partied like its 1975."
"We found some scrach off lottery tickets and won. So we went to the Casino afterward."
"We were trying to help apostates on JWN learn the error of their ways by cutting and pasting old WT articles. Hard to tell if its current light or not."
"We used to have key parties after our bookstudy, and we are stumbled that we can't do that anymore."
"We learned that when you multiply the 7 Gentile Times and then divide by 2,520, and count backwards from 1914, the answer is 69."
"My wife was playing my skin flute."
"Colonel Angus came by to pay my wife a vist. She likes him."
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The God Delusion
by alice.in.wonderland inhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/the_god_delusion.
the god delusion is a 2006 bestselling non-fiction book by british biologist richard dawkins, professorial fellow of new college, oxford, and inaugural holder of the charles simonyi chair for the public understanding of science at the university of oxford.. .
in the god delusion, dawkins contends that a supernatural creator almost certainly does not exist and that belief in a personal god qualifies as a delusion, which he defines as a persistent false belief held in the face of strong contradictory evidence.
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AllTimeJeff
Use of the movie "Religilous" would also indicate a person who isn't a JW.
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Ray Franz Tribute
by besty inover at freeminds we didn't want this day to pass without some recognition of the life and death of ray franz.
in view of his stated wishes not to have a memorial or service we hoped for something that he would have liked for all of us to take a moment over.. .
we owe a note of thanks to v for his graphics work and atjeff for the obituary writing - i know neither of them need mentioned by me.. .
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AllTimeJeff
Having recently lost my mom, it is amazing how important it is that we remember and honor a person and their life when they pass. It truly isn't in the JW culture to think of it in those terms, but it is important.
Ray Franz lived an important life. Rarely does the man who wants to be great become great. Ray simply did what all great men do, he lived a life of honesty and integrity and was true to (the real) truth.
The tributes in total that have been payed to him have been paid, not because of what he started for himself, but because of what he started for others.
If a man's greatness can be told in the lives that he influences and touches, then surely, there will never be another Raymond Franz. May we all strive to imitate the example he set.
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Update on Ray, I think this needs a new thread
by coffee_black inupdating,.
it is confirmed that cynthia will be signing the papers this morning to remove ray from life support.
if anyone has posted their address on the internet, it is requested that you remove it for the safety of cynthia and those who are with her.
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Al and Tipper are breaking up!
by Cagefighter inhttp://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/?fbid=os2zdcggcv-.
i guess she got tired of him and his claims that he invented sex everytime they made love.....
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AllTimeJeff
Thats why it sucks to be them. It's their business, and honestly, who cares?
I bet Dee Snyder is laughing his ass off though.... just sayin....
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B-Rock and censorship
by 5thGeneration ini'm disappointed in jwn for doing what the wt does.. b-rock simply stated that he questions how people follow ray franz like jws follow the society.. no big deal.
his opinion.. if i owned this site i wouldn't take the jw approach to things.. 5th.
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AllTimeJeff
Dinah, I know every southern pick up line ever. My favorite?
"Its buffet night at the Sizzler!"*
Nighty nite!
*please note, if you weren't born and raised south of the mason dixon line, you aren't allowed to join in the fun of joking about the south. It's rude, and might cause Civil War flashbacks. Might I suggest starting another thread about Seattle, Coffee, and Pikes Peak? ;)
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Ex-Elders please advice on my first Public Talk as a MS.
by african GB Member inthe topic is- "young people: serve jehovah wholeheartedly".. i'd appreciate various points that would make this talk appealing to my cong.
youths, but please keep it within jw boundaries because i don't want to give my elders any hint of me being an apostate yet.. i have to say that i am still enjoying my newly given "priviledges'', and am still so surprised that holy spirit has'nt pointed me out yet.. agbm.
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AllTimeJeff
Yeah, if I'm lucky.....
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B-Rock and censorship
by 5thGeneration ini'm disappointed in jwn for doing what the wt does.. b-rock simply stated that he questions how people follow ray franz like jws follow the society.. no big deal.
his opinion.. if i owned this site i wouldn't take the jw approach to things.. 5th.
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AllTimeJeff
Dinah sweetie, I am billingual. I speak Yankee, but my native tounge is southern.... "Wanna hear ma coon dawg cawl?"