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  Fell off the wagon today

  by 5thGeneration in

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  one year sober.

  got bombed today.

  really upset at myself.

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  AllTimeJeff

  Also, don't feed the trolls.
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  Fell off the wagon today

  by 5thGeneration in

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  one year sober.

  got bombed today.

  really upset at myself.

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  AllTimeJeff

  First of all, don't quit quitting. You are an addict, and I know you realize this.

  Don't give into discouragement. That will sap your strength.

  Ultimately, it is up to you to figure out what happened, so be honest, yet gentle with yourself.

  Wishing you the best. :)
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  1966 Movie Heritage on Youtube, first 8 minutes, more to follow

  by Wasanelder Once in

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  ok, you asked for it and here it is.

  i'm going to try and embed the video but who knows?

  just look under truthbookblues and it will be the video on the home page.. .

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  They show this to every Gilead class. It was a great time to remember how to giggle during class.

  The Gilead instructors were proud of this video. My thought was, it made Leave it to Beaver seem progressive and liberal.
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  Ray Franz Tribute

  by besty in

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  over at freeminds we didn't want this day to pass without some recognition of the life and death of ray franz.

  in view of his stated wishes not to have a memorial or service we hoped for something that he would have liked for all of us to take a moment over.. .

  we owe a note of thanks to v for his graphics work and atjeff for the obituary writing - i know neither of them need mentioned by me.. .

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  AllTimeJeff

  Again AIW, start your own thread. This is tantamount to busting in on the middle of a memorial service, quoting Ayn Rand, and loudly asking for information about him.

  There have been 20 threads started on Ray Franz in the last 2 days. Read them, and buy the book Crisis of Conscience. This isn't the place for your comments, with all respect.
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  Ray Franz Tribute

  by besty in

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  over at freeminds we didn't want this day to pass without some recognition of the life and death of ray franz.

  in view of his stated wishes not to have a memorial or service we hoped for something that he would have liked for all of us to take a moment over.. .

  we owe a note of thanks to v for his graphics work and atjeff for the obituary writing - i know neither of them need mentioned by me.. .

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  AllTimeJeff

  The tribute is beautiful. I love it.

  I agree MrsJones5
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  Ray Franz Tribute

  by besty in

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  over at freeminds we didn't want this day to pass without some recognition of the life and death of ray franz.

  in view of his stated wishes not to have a memorial or service we hoped for something that he would have liked for all of us to take a moment over.. .

  we owe a note of thanks to v for his graphics work and atjeff for the obituary writing - i know neither of them need mentioned by me.. .

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  AllTimeJeff

  ....and if you bothered to read the first post, and the spirit of the posts that followed, you can see where this thread is.

  Death is a serious thing. Lets show some respect. You are more then welcome to start your own thread on Ayn Rand if you want.
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  Ray Franz Tribute

  by besty in

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  2. friends

  over at freeminds we didn't want this day to pass without some recognition of the life and death of ray franz.

  in view of his stated wishes not to have a memorial or service we hoped for something that he would have liked for all of us to take a moment over.. .

  we owe a note of thanks to v for his graphics work and atjeff for the obituary writing - i know neither of them need mentioned by me.. .

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  AllTimeJeff

  Yeah, you can ask. But do so about another thread. This thread is about Ray Franz, a name you failed to mention in your last post. Ayn Rand got two mentions.
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  Ray Franz Tribute

  by besty in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  over at freeminds we didn't want this day to pass without some recognition of the life and death of ray franz.

  in view of his stated wishes not to have a memorial or service we hoped for something that he would have liked for all of us to take a moment over.. .

  we owe a note of thanks to v for his graphics work and atjeff for the obituary writing - i know neither of them need mentioned by me.. .

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  AllTimeJeff

  Thanks for sharing AIW. That will be all from you on this thread.
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  Ray Franz Tribute

  by besty in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  over at freeminds we didn't want this day to pass without some recognition of the life and death of ray franz.

  in view of his stated wishes not to have a memorial or service we hoped for something that he would have liked for all of us to take a moment over.. .

  we owe a note of thanks to v for his graphics work and atjeff for the obituary writing - i know neither of them need mentioned by me.. .

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  AllTimeJeff

  It's nice that even admitted Jehovah's Witnesses will miss Ray Franz.
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  A Responsible Discussion on Ray Franz's Role in the Lives of Former JW's

  by AllTimeJeff in

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  since it was learned that ray franz went to the hospital and then passed away, most threads have in my opinion, correctly tried to give some honor and respect to a courageous, honest, and principled man.. some borderline trolls, who know many former jw's are easily upset (and they know this.

  i know this...) try to take advantage by hitting on a hot button.

  in this case, its to call you a follower of ray franz.. we all know that isn't true.. but i think that a legitimate discussion on this is in order.

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  AllTimeJeff

  Since it was learned that Ray Franz went to the hospital and then passed away, most threads have in my opinion, correctly tried to give some honor and respect to a courageous, honest, and principled man.

  Some borderline trolls, who know many former JW's are easily upset (and they know this. I know this...) try to take advantage by hitting on a hot button. In this case, its to call you a follower of Ray Franz.

  We all know that isn't true.

  But I think that a legitimate discussion on this is in order. Is there any truth to that? Why or why not?

  What were the real ramifications for you as an individual and for the JW organization (esp the leadership) due to Franz leaving and writing his two books?

  One more thing: I have no problem if you are a person who genuinely feels that former JW's somehow either follow him or pay "too much respect." (don't know how you can give a good man too much respect, but whatever) And if you feel the threads on this or other forums upset you, say so.

  But have some class. Do so respectfully. And better yet, rather then just say you are upset, why don't you say why? How you think things should be.

  I won't tolerate on this thread anyone who tries to be a classless hack. If you have something to say, bring it. If you are here to insult grateful people, go somewhere else in your parents basement and watch TV.

  Anyway, feel free to discuss if you want. I will start by saying that overall, I have felt that the expressions have been heartfelt and were directed at a very unique, honest, good man. I don't sense worshipful adoration, and I certainly have never seen evidence at all that Ray Franz led a group ever.