I agree that you should call the police if he keeps it up.
AllTimeJeff
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Why should I have to sign a letter saying I want to disassociate ?
by troubled mind ini don't understand why the elders want this letter so badly ....for one i don't remember signing a contract to become a jehovah's witness ,why do i need to resign ?.
also i was baptised in 1978 before the baptism questions changed , i dedicated myself to god not an organization .
my vow was to follow the direction by holy spirit as revealed to me through the bible, not the watchtower ...... if i belonged to the luthern church and quit going after three yrs they drop your name off the member list ........but if i chose to come to easter or christmas service everyonre would still talk to me i just wouldn't be a member any more .. .
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Are you certain you're a Baptized Christian?
by wannabe inare you certain you're baptized?.
is it also not true, because of that, the old law covenant was set aside?
{1 corinthians 1:17} {romans 11:13}.
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AllTimeJeff
Wannabe, I realize that you are writing about a topic of dogma. If I might say, this caught my eye. You said:
So! What do we have? We have 2.1 Billion Baptized Christian's who are not Christian's. 1.1 Billion Catholics that think they are Baptized Christian's but are not Christian's. We have 7 Million Jehovah's Witnesses that think they are Baptized Christian's but are not Christian's. Now I don't know the body count of all of them lumped together, but one thing I do know, is, none of them are Baptized Christian's. Unless you're Baptized by the Christ, you're not Baptized. Deal with it!
Keep this one thought ever forward in your minds! Today we are under the New Covenant. It was under that Covenant the Christ was to do his ONE Baptism for very good reasons. That was to put Jehovah's Laws within us, and write them on our hearts; so that all will know Jehovah, from the least of us to the greatest of us. Those Laws are put within us by the power of the Holy Spirit in the hands now of the Christ. Read these following scriptures and learn just how those Laws are put within us, and written on our hearts. {John 14:15-17,26} {John 16:13} {1John 2:27} {Acts 2:33} {Galatians 1:11,12} {Ephesians 3:3} ¨Jeremiah 31:31-34
Without that Baptizm the knowledge we need put within us and written on our hearts is not possible to gain, because only Jesus is in control of the Holy Spirit now, used for Baptizing. If we have not been baptized by him, say what you will, but you are not a Baptized Christian! You delude yourself! Wannabe
I find there is much in dogmatic religions that trouble me. Your tone and judgmentalism is what troubles me. I totally disagree with you. If a person tells me that they were baptized and it was a pivotal moment in their life, then who am I, or you, to dispute that? There are just as many scriptures that support baptism outside of the your expressed, opinionated view that dispute what you suggest.
I realize that you are expressing an opinion, and I respect your right to do so. But you are no different in my mind to any other controlling, self righteous religious group.
Deal with it.
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Why should I have to sign a letter saying I want to disassociate ?
by troubled mind ini don't understand why the elders want this letter so badly ....for one i don't remember signing a contract to become a jehovah's witness ,why do i need to resign ?.
also i was baptised in 1978 before the baptism questions changed , i dedicated myself to god not an organization .
my vow was to follow the direction by holy spirit as revealed to me through the bible, not the watchtower ...... if i belonged to the luthern church and quit going after three yrs they drop your name off the member list ........but if i chose to come to easter or christmas service everyonre would still talk to me i just wouldn't be a member any more .. .
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AllTimeJeff
You can't control what JW's do or what they call things. They say anyone that leaves "disassociates" themself. I call that absolute bullshit. I resigned. They are certainly allowed to call it whatever they want. Of course, as we all know, they lie quite a bit, so it doesn't matter what they call anything.
In your case, my thoughts for someone in your situation is pretty simple: Do what you want. If you told the elders all that you wanted, and THEY want a letter, THEY can go pound sand.
Write a letter only if you want to and it serves some kind of purpose for you. In my case, it served a lot of purposes for me. I knew who would read it at Bethel.
In your case, tell the elders very simply that you have done and said all you care to. If they insist in trying to talk you into it, repeat it ironically until they get the message.
Do things your way, for your reasons, and don't worry about things, people, or cults that you have no control over.
Btw, congrats on your freedom.
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Fell off the wagon today
by 5thGeneration inone year sober.
got bombed today.
really upset at myself.
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AllTimeJeff
Also, don't feed the trolls.
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Fell off the wagon today
by 5thGeneration inone year sober.
got bombed today.
really upset at myself.
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AllTimeJeff
First of all, don't quit quitting. You are an addict, and I know you realize this.
Don't give into discouragement. That will sap your strength.
Ultimately, it is up to you to figure out what happened, so be honest, yet gentle with yourself.
Wishing you the best. :)
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1966 Movie Heritage on Youtube, first 8 minutes, more to follow
by Wasanelder Once inok, you asked for it and here it is.
i'm going to try and embed the video but who knows?
just look under truthbookblues and it will be the video on the home page.. .
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AllTimeJeff
They show this to every Gilead class. It was a great time to remember how to giggle during class.
The Gilead instructors were proud of this video. My thought was, it made Leave it to Beaver seem progressive and liberal.
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Ray Franz Tribute
by besty inover at freeminds we didn't want this day to pass without some recognition of the life and death of ray franz.
in view of his stated wishes not to have a memorial or service we hoped for something that he would have liked for all of us to take a moment over.. .
we owe a note of thanks to v for his graphics work and atjeff for the obituary writing - i know neither of them need mentioned by me.. .
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AllTimeJeff
Again AIW, start your own thread. This is tantamount to busting in on the middle of a memorial service, quoting Ayn Rand, and loudly asking for information about him.
There have been 20 threads started on Ray Franz in the last 2 days. Read them, and buy the book Crisis of Conscience. This isn't the place for your comments, with all respect.
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Ray Franz Tribute
by besty inover at freeminds we didn't want this day to pass without some recognition of the life and death of ray franz.
in view of his stated wishes not to have a memorial or service we hoped for something that he would have liked for all of us to take a moment over.. .
we owe a note of thanks to v for his graphics work and atjeff for the obituary writing - i know neither of them need mentioned by me.. .
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AllTimeJeff
The tribute is beautiful. I love it.
I agree MrsJones5
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Ray Franz Tribute
by besty inover at freeminds we didn't want this day to pass without some recognition of the life and death of ray franz.
in view of his stated wishes not to have a memorial or service we hoped for something that he would have liked for all of us to take a moment over.. .
we owe a note of thanks to v for his graphics work and atjeff for the obituary writing - i know neither of them need mentioned by me.. .
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AllTimeJeff
....and if you bothered to read the first post, and the spirit of the posts that followed, you can see where this thread is.
Death is a serious thing. Lets show some respect. You are more then welcome to start your own thread on Ayn Rand if you want.
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Ray Franz Tribute
by besty inover at freeminds we didn't want this day to pass without some recognition of the life and death of ray franz.
in view of his stated wishes not to have a memorial or service we hoped for something that he would have liked for all of us to take a moment over.. .
we owe a note of thanks to v for his graphics work and atjeff for the obituary writing - i know neither of them need mentioned by me.. .
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AllTimeJeff
Yeah, you can ask. But do so about another thread. This thread is about Ray Franz, a name you failed to mention in your last post. Ayn Rand got two mentions.