Thats cool Yknot. But you can't expect former JW's who have learned things that contradict the teachings of the Governing Body to not share that.
But you are cool. :)
AllTimeJeff
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ATTENTION LURKING JW'S WHO WONDER ABOUT "APOSTATES"......
by AllTimeJeff inthis is an internet board.
as such, what makes it relevant, cool, or otherwise, are the people who choose to make themselves a part of this particular community.. internet forums of any stripe have regulars, visitors, curious, lurkers, and of course, trolls.
jw internet communities are no different.. many regulars who are here used to be jw's, and left for one reason or another.
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ATTENTION LURKING JW'S WHO WONDER ABOUT "APOSTATES"......
by AllTimeJeff inthis is an internet board.
as such, what makes it relevant, cool, or otherwise, are the people who choose to make themselves a part of this particular community.. internet forums of any stripe have regulars, visitors, curious, lurkers, and of course, trolls.
jw internet communities are no different.. many regulars who are here used to be jw's, and left for one reason or another.
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AllTimeJeff
Here is the idiodicy of the Governing Body arguement that they want Jehovah's Witnesses to buy.
Jehovah is the most powerful being in the universe. He is the creator and deserves worship.
Jehovah, though being the most powerful being in the universe, was not powerful enough to preserve the pronunciation or translation of his name, or to even have it included even once in the Greek Scriptures.
So Satan has been allowed to fool us humans because Jehovah wanted to prove a point that takes thousands of years while our lifespans aren't even 100. Yet, he isn't as powerful as Jehovah. He is just way more interested in mankind then Jehovah is, right?
So how does Jehovah turn his attention to the planet he hasn't paid attention to since he supposedly sent his son? By using a super secret code taken from Daniel and Revelation, we come up with a number of 2,520 years from Jerusalems fall, which would put us at the year 1934. Oops!
Better to count backwards, insist that Jerusalem was actually destroyed in 607 BCE purely for the JW dogmatic convenience so that you can promote 1914, then insist that no JW can read critical literature, or even take seriously ALL OF THE HISTORY BOOKS IN SCHOOLS, COLLEGES, AND LIBRARIES.
From there, once you shut the door to verify the GB crap, now you can insist that Jesus came invisibly in 1914 (because the GB said so) and that he chose Rutherford and the other jailed members invisibly in 1919 (because the GB says so). And that the generation that saw those years will be around to see Armageddon.
Oops! Wrong again. Have to change that 50 year old teaching. It wasn't wrong, the light just got brighter.
Anyway, my point is simple. When you break it down, its really all a bunch of lies. The only reason the GB howls about apostates is that once a person learns this, they leave. They don't ever go back, simply because they know this cooky little group is beyond repair.
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OK lets just say for sake of arguement, armargedon comes, god wants to know why you left the JW's. What do you say to him?
by highdose insorry for the long title.. i don't belive this will happen for a second.
but its an interesting question.
there you are at armargeddon, and god asks you " why you left the jw's?
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AllTimeJeff
I left precisely because I imagined having this conversation, and couldn't in my heart bring myself to believe that "god" would ever do that to over 7 billion people who never got a chance to hear about him. Who wasn't even powerful enough to keep his own name in the 2nd half of his own book?
Trust me, "god" would understand. And then he would kick the Governing Body's ass. I wouldn't want to be them.
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ATTENTION LURKING JW'S WHO WONDER ABOUT "APOSTATES"......
by AllTimeJeff inthis is an internet board.
as such, what makes it relevant, cool, or otherwise, are the people who choose to make themselves a part of this particular community.. internet forums of any stripe have regulars, visitors, curious, lurkers, and of course, trolls.
jw internet communities are no different.. many regulars who are here used to be jw's, and left for one reason or another.
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AllTimeJeff
This is an internet board. As such, what makes it relevant, cool, or otherwise, are the people who choose to make themselves a part of this particular community.
Internet forums of any stripe have regulars, visitors, curious, lurkers, and of course, trolls. JW internet communities are no different.
Many regulars who are here used to be JW's, and left for one reason or another. With very good reasons. Other's got kicked out, shunned, and need support. I sincerely hope to any lurking JW that you don't mind if "we" apostates (who resent being called evil just so you are tricked into not listening to what we have to say) support them.
I will be the first to admit that former JW's are EXTREMELY sensitive when a JW, or a JW troll (I realize there is a difference) gets on here and insists that things with JW's are going well, when in fact, they are not. For example, many of us have had to deal with the many pedophiles running around right now. It gets good people angry.
And yes, MOST former JW's on this forum are GOOD PEOPLE. Just because we don't underline our WT in 10 minutes for show before going to Sunday meeting to keep up appearances doesn't mean we aren't good people.
Some members of this board feel that trolls are here to make us apostates look bad. Yet, I would be willing to bet a good amount of money that you are lurking, and reading this, because you know, you have seen, you feel, that something just isn't right.
So these trolls want you to think that apostates are idiots. Please.
I credit you lurkers with WAY more intelligence then that.
I hope that in time, you lurking JW's will expand on the freedom that allowed you to come here, that you will conquer the guilt, and that you will consider the information here, and esp on sites like freeminds.org and learn about your religion, the way JW's insist on showing everyone else the negative on their religions, at their doorstep.
In reality, the work I used to do as a missionary and pioneer was to make apostates out of everyone else, insist they read our literature only, while not reading their literature about us.
JW's aren't allowed to listen to apostates or read critical literature for one reason: There is a lot, a TON in it that contains disturbing truths about JW's, the history, the lies (lots of them) the failed prophecies (every one of them).
Here is a fun one JW lurkers. Go to the library, and find which date is the fall of Jerusalem's destruction, 587/586 BCE or 607? Does one independent source verify the date of Jerusalem's destruction in support of JW dogma, and the related date 1914?
If you find it, pass it on to me, and I will be back in a Kingdom Hall.
More could be said, but the truth of the matter is, its really up to you, how honest you are, and how much crap you want to put up with. That part is up to you.
But most JW's who leave actually DON'T come here, most just learn the truth about da troof and move on. Others come here. You are more then welcome to do your own thing. Doing your own thing is the one thing that scares the Governing Body most of all. I mean, they baptize between 2-300,000 a year, and it takes 10 years to gain a million more members. Look at the yearbooks and you do the math.
Wishing you lurking JW's peace. And please understand why "we" here sometimes go after JW trolls. They aren't here to talk, just stir up crap. But like I said, I think you are smart enough to know that.
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Happy, Well-Adjusted JW. However... Pet Peeve. Please Sound Off Yours.
by Doubtfully Yours inwhy the heck does the society have to publish more of the same stuff every single farging assembly???!!!.
as if we don't already have tons of literature already!!!
boring to keep reading the same stuff over and over and over again!!!.
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AllTimeJeff
I thought it was just a part of being a cult, and that the ROI of trying to milk donations from the flock depends on them being excited that Jehovah is moving his celestial wagon wheels....
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I just downloaded CofC and ISOCF
by Steve_C inalthough i was born into this religion/cult in 1963 and didn't leave until a few years ago, i just now ordered crisis of conscience and in search of christian freedom from commentary press.
i'm very much looking forward to reading these.. even though ray franz is gone, his important work continues.
i hope many more people can find out the truthtm about the wts..
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Yup. And probably still helping support his widowed wife.
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What Super Powers does Ted Jaracz have in heaven now??? Any?
by Witness 007 inso congrats ted your a "king and preist" in heaven ruling with jesus, so.....how is this different to his bethel job?
he can"t smite me for showing disrespect.
does he sit there and take down names for armagedon?
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AllTimeJeff
I think he asked to preside over the wedding of the bride and the lamb. I hear Bo Peep was pissed.
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Governing Body 2.0
by drew sagan ini borrow the phrase gb 2.0 from alltimejeff, who used it yesterday in the post about theodore jaracz's death.. i was interested in starting a thread that addresses the new leadership regime that has emerged within the wts, especially in light of changes (albeit mundane) the organization has undertaken over the past 15 years or so.
while few of us have had close contact with the men in charge, changes they have made in recent years surly reflect a definable leadership style.
it also reveals a little bit about how they view the organization and its future.. from what i can put together, it seems that there a few obvious things to note.. - 1999 seems to be the sea change year in terms of gb appointment and might be seen sybolically as a turning point in terms of leadership for the group.
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CoCo
First of all, I rarely get to tell you how your gentle soul is revealed in your own writings. Hope things are well with you.
I have been referring to the GB of the 90's and beyond as Version 2.0 as a mockery, comparing them to updated computer software, mostly Windows, which always comes out with updates that don't work.
Every now and then, my penchant for being a smart ass comes in handy with writing.
Drew Sagan, great thread. I read it with interest. Good points you and others have made.
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Religion and Cults
by alice.in.wonderland ini've heard certain people here refer to jehovah's witnesses as a mind-control cult, high-control cult; theories perpetrated for how long i don't know, but at least since the days of ray franz.
i had spent nearly forty years as a full time representative, serving at every level of the organizational structure.
the last fifteen years i had spent at the international headquarters, and the final nine of those as a member of the worldwide governing body of jehovah's witnesses.
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AllTimeJeff
Mary, it pays to Discover.....
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Religion and Cults
by alice.in.wonderland ini've heard certain people here refer to jehovah's witnesses as a mind-control cult, high-control cult; theories perpetrated for how long i don't know, but at least since the days of ray franz.
i had spent nearly forty years as a full time representative, serving at every level of the organizational structure.
the last fifteen years i had spent at the international headquarters, and the final nine of those as a member of the worldwide governing body of jehovah's witnesses.
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AllTimeJeff
Mary, I haven't had enough JW Blue yet...
Wait, I guess I have had the wrong kind of JW blue.... ;)
I tried to call that number and there was a busy signal. I tried a 2nd time and the message was for me to bend over and take a Watchtower for this Sunday.... Needless to say, they were quite surprised to find 30 years worth of remnants of old WT's. (I had a JW enema)
Ok, thats all I have for gross metaphorical jokes....