Posts by AllTimeJeff

Did you learn nothing from JW's?? Natural is still better then artifical boobs. JW's are like Pam Anderson's boob's, they look great from 50 yards, but you have to commit to the skank to get a real good look, and when you do, they still won't let you touch them. Besides, there is way too much scarring from all the times the boob's changed. They were never real.

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For My Christian, Jewish and Atheist Friends, "Why I am No Longer a Christian."

by Robdar in

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this is a rather long yet fascinating documentary from a former ku student about his transformation from a true christian believer to an atheist.

if you have the time to watch it, i would love to hear your comments.

http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/why-i-am-no-longer-a-christian/.

AllTimeJeff

No. Despite all the claims of the assholes who cannot clearly understand my thoughts on this subject which I've articulated for years, I am NOT an atheist.

I am a Deist.

Farkel and Robdar and others.....

I am also a deist of sorts. While I want to believe god deals with some people, I can't make a single good argument other than I wish it were so.

I have enough life experience to realize that wanting and wishing something true doesn't matter a good damn bit.

I too believe that we were somehow created. But that's it.

I am much more interested in what makes a quality person tick, and how a quality person leads a quality life and how she/he can impact others in a quality way.

I am really into quality. ;)

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Why Won't They Carbon Date This?

by Perry in

"for the first time in human history a dinosaur fossil is presenting us with the opportunity to see what a living dinosaur looked like.

in 2001 a field research team unearthed the worlds most complete dinosaur fossil, a brachylophosaurus nicknamed leonardo.

this incredible dinosaur has all of its skin covering its body, missing only a bit on the head and tail.

AllTimeJeff

I still wonder why Jesus has to rely on Perry instead of just doing this himself.

Listen, even god is rolling his eyes at this nonsense. Good thing Perry is here to clear up what god left so unclear. (and btw, still waiting for that recording of Jesus and what he says to you dude. Good luck! Please get it on mp3, it will be easy to upload, probably a helluva lot easier then listening to Jesus and having to defend Christian "creationism".)

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What Is It That Really Troubles the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses?

by orangefatcat in

well i think what worries them the most is that more and more witnesses are becoming free thinkers and that is troubling them, it worries them that thinking freely will cause them to seek answers elsewhere and that is the last thing the gb wants.

they have pulled the reins so tight now how much tighter can they pull before many witnesss crack under their yokes.

what is your thoughts on this matter.. .

AllTimeJeff

Governing Body 2.1 (now that the generation who saw 1914 are all dead, they have moved up from 2.0)

What really troubles the GB is what troubles any elder who first realizes that they aren't running a religion, but a business.

As a new elder, you get this idea in your head that all you will do is read and study and quote scripture. After 1 year, you have called the CO and the Service Dept about as much as you consult the four Gospel accounts on anything. Your new job is to figure out if the 1978 WT on loose conduct can be used in the judicial committee about the poor sista who got her ta ta's touched by that 19 year old almost ministerial servanted brother.

As a new GB, you thought that you would help run a spiritual paradise. Instead, you have to deal with how not to get your ass sued off for the following.

Breaking up families thanks to shunning.
Having a database of over 20,000 known pedophiles (yup, you bet your sweet ass there are thousands of unknowns) and then having the schweaty BALLS to say that they won't cooperate with law enforcement as a matter of organizational policy. (but you can call in pedophiles to the police anonymously from a phone booth in a stunning act of courage rivaling David v Goliath)
Having to explain to the hundreds and thousands who died because they wouldn't take blood medicine that they actually can partake of blood fraction medicine if their conscience allows.

They know. Really. They KNOW that the whole thing is a scam. That has to suck as much as being an elder and realizing that you aren't in a religion where you can positively make a difference for people, but in a cult, and that your first job isn't to shepherd the sheep. The first job of an appointed elder is to protect the GB and all their legal entities from lawsuits.

Oh, revenue's are sort of drying up. Sort of a bummer to have to sell billiions of dollars worth of property. Not to worry. Whether it's at Brooklyn, Patterson, or Numb Nuts NY, one thing the GB won't have to worry about is comfortable, paid for living quarters, and the power to control millions.

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Is There Anything You Want To Tell Me?

by minimus in

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i'm waiting..

AllTimeJeff

GO STEELERS!!!

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You want me to believe...

by AllTimeJeff in

how many times did i hear this or its variations from householders and return visits as i preached the jw message:.

in a nutshell, what keeps most jw's together (and the group as a religion) is the validation of their own ideas.

hey, at the meetings in those kh's, it didn't matter what anyone else thought.

AllTimeJeff

Miracle

d: an effect or extraordinary event in the physical world thatsurpasses all
known human or natural powers and is ascribed to a supernatural cause.

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"We aren't qualified to think for ourselves...."

by AllTimeJeff in

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reading a few posts here today, a statement that was said often at gilead came up in my head.

"we aren't qualified to think for ourselves...".

that statement comes on the oft quoted scripture "it doesn't not belong to man who is walking even to direct his step.

AllTimeJeff

But thinking for ourselves really isn't limited to the empirical world, as many believe: it is necessary as to the spirit world, as well. HAS to be. "Directing one's steps", however, has nothing to do with thinking for oneself. The Most Holy One of Israel doesn't want robots - indeed, He WANTS us to think... and make choices. Which is why we have free will. The caveat is that we are RESPONSIBLE for our choices. Not Him... and not anyone else. True, others may have some responsibility for misleading us... but BEING misled, after a certain point in one's life... is really on such one and no one else.

I agree Shelby. I can't say I can do more then respectfully tolerate other points of view religiously. My tolerance isn't meant to be condescending, but respectful of you.

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You want me to believe...

by AllTimeJeff in

how many times did i hear this or its variations from householders and return visits as i preached the jw message:.

in a nutshell, what keeps most jw's together (and the group as a religion) is the validation of their own ideas.

hey, at the meetings in those kh's, it didn't matter what anyone else thought.

AllTimeJeff

Cleaned up my original post. Sorry bout that.

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You want me to believe...

by AllTimeJeff in

how many times did i hear this or its variations from householders and return visits as i preached the jw message:.

in a nutshell, what keeps most jw's together (and the group as a religion) is the validation of their own ideas.

hey, at the meetings in those kh's, it didn't matter what anyone else thought.

AllTimeJeff

How many times did I hear this or its variations from householders and return visits as I preached the JW message:

"Ok, so you want/expect me to believe________"

In a nutshell, what keeps most JW's together (and the group as a religion) is the validation of their own ideas. Hey, at the meetings in those KH's, it didn't matter what anyone else thought. We all knew we believed the same thing. It validated us as different, yet, we didn't have to be alone. Yup, bad ideas frequently get momentum. At one time, we were happy to believe all kinds of crap, because we never asked ourselves deep down if it made any sense at all!

Fast forward to our leaving, and obviously that was the worst thing we could have had happen to us. Yet, what we once accepted (for many of us) is now not acceptable. That's why the normal response to unbelievable crap starts with, "Wait, you want me to believe......"

You want me to believe that only JW's are going to survive Armageddon and that people will be judged and destroyed based on their reaction to that 8 year old's presentation of the WT magazine?

You want me to believe that you can be the one true religion that Jehovah and Jesus chose in 1919 and yet not believe in practically anything you taught in 1919?

You want me to believe that the GB is appointed by Holy Spirit to lead the one true religion, and yet can get away with all their flip flops because they are only spirit directed and not spirit inspired? You want me to believe there is a difference between spirit inspired and spirit directed?

You want me to believe that the most loving act you can do for a sinner, even if they are your own kin, is to shun them?

You want me to believe that you can change the meaning of what "generation" means in Mt 24 three times since 1994 and still claim that you are the one true religion?

You want me to believe that the whole point of the bible was to prophesy the existence of the WTBTS and the first 3 presidents of the WTBTS in the 20th century? That the bible was ultimately for the 144,000 and that's it?

You want me to believe that the trumpet blasts in Revelation really foretold a series of conventions held by JW's in the 1920's?

You want me to believe that Jehovah would rather you handle pedophiles your own way as opposed to turning them into the police?

You want me to believe that I can't have blood transfusions, but can have medicine and fractions derived from blood?

You want me to believe that Jehovah cares about the sexual behaviors I engage in with my marriage mate?

You want me to believe that Jehovah will destroy me because I didn't believe the current teaching of the year by the GB?

I could go on and on about JW's and a lot of groups. That phrase "You want me to believe... what??!!" is so powerful, it might have saved me some time if I just asked myself that sooner in my life.