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  Was There ANYTHING Positive That You Experienced Because of Being a JW?

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  was there anything positive about your jehovah's witness experience?.

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  AllTimeJeff

  Because the JW's are in reality a well organized sales and marketing organization, I learned all aspects of how to participate in and run one.
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  What is your opinion of the news media?

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  to me they have an agenda and they really don't care about professional journalism.

  most are untrustworthy and that's a shame.

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  Sometimes these threads allow one to crystalize thoughts and opinions by working them out. So i appreciate the give and take.

  It just dawned on me that we are making a very big assumption: Having a Bias equates to a loss of ability to report Facts.

  NOT TRUE.

  If the traditional media has a bias, the more important question is, does it prevent them from presenting the facts and the basics of a story? What evidence is there of this. EVIDENCE.

  In Fox News case, it has in the past. It was just plain irresponsible for them to continue the Obama/Muslim myth. That was done maliciously and on purpose.

  CNN doesn't lie. Neither does CBS, NBC, ABC. FOX is the network that has been screaming bloody murder from the start. That doesn't mean anything.

  This entire thread is based on a false premise. That the traditional news media lies. THERE IS NO EVIDENCE.

  Your impressions are just that. And you can be irritated if you perceive a liberal reporting your news when you are a conservative. But you can't dispute the FACTS.

  I have biases. So do you. So I guess having a bias of any kind means no one can report the facts relating to a news story. That is not reasonable.

  But I am willing to put my biases aside for the truth. I would like to think most here would too. However, if you just want to make this about "biases" then I believe you aren't interested in the real story. You're just interested in your side winning.
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  What is your opinion of the news media?

  by minimus in

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  to me they have an agenda and they really don't care about professional journalism.

  most are untrustworthy and that's a shame.

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  This thread has turned into a defense of Trumps taking a leak on the First Amendment by his supporters, which is their right, they won the election. (If not the popular vote)

  But hey, majority rule is for losers. Sad.

  Freemindfade, Fox News absolutely LIED. LIED. LIED about Obama. Not unlike what Trump is doing now. Do I support Obama freezing them out on occasion? No. However, that was ONE LYING NETWORK.

  Trump is calling out ALL NEWS MEDIA. WHO ARE NOT LYING. SO STOP IT WITH THE FALSE EQUIVALENCY.

  I realize this small nuance might have missed your attention, so I put it in all caps for the point to sink in.
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  491

  What is your opinion of the news media?

  by minimus in

  1. social
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  to me they have an agenda and they really don't care about professional journalism.

  most are untrustworthy and that's a shame.

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  AllTimeJeff

  Freemindfade, got busy working. I'll respond later, other than to leave you with this for the moment...

  De do do do, de da da da
  Is all I want to say to you
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  Their innocence will pull me through
  De do do do, de da da da
  Is all I want to say to you
  De do do do, de da da da
  They're meaningless and all that's true
  

  Poets, priests and politicians
  Have words to thank for their positions
  Words that scream for your submission
  And no one's jamming their transmission
  'Cause when their eloquence escapes you
  Their logic ties you up and rapes you
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  491

  What is your opinion of the news media?

  by minimus in

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  to me they have an agenda and they really don't care about professional journalism.

  most are untrustworthy and that's a shame.

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  AllTimeJeff

  No President has ever attacked the news media as an institution until Trump.

  John Adams was so concerned about foreign influence (the French) on our press, he signed into law the 1798 Sedition Act, which made publishing anything critical of the government illegal.

  Great point LRG! Thanks.
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  What is your opinion of the news media?

  by minimus in

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  to me they have an agenda and they really don't care about professional journalism.

  most are untrustworthy and that's a shame.

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  He's done nothing that Obama didn't do. The fact is that free speech works for all, yes, even the president. People can then criticize him or applaud as they see fit.

  The press are free to say what they like too and likewise, people can agree or disagree.

  Still waiting to see some actual evidence of any 1st amendment attack happening.

  It couldn't be that, OMG, the attach on the press and the 1st amendment itself is an example of fake news could it?

  No, that isn't fake news. And no one has acted like this prior to Trump. To parrot Bohm "But whattabout..." is about where we are at as far as a defense of his behavior.

  Re. the comparison to Obama: A thing I have noticed is that critique of Trump is nearly never addressed, but rather it is deflected by saying: but whatabout...

  Why is that? Have we given up on finding a solid moral grounding on which to evaluate our views on? Interestingly, this tactic is the bread-and-butter of the Russian TV propaganda.

  Couldn't agree more. Get rid of real facts. Call everything that disagrees with you into question. You leave no room for anyone other than those that agree with you and encourage an atmosphere or paranoia and fear. Just like a good "leader" should.

  Somehow, this is still the fault of media bias. *sigh*
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  491

  What is your opinion of the news media?

  by minimus in

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  to me they have an agenda and they really don't care about professional journalism.

  most are untrustworthy and that's a shame.

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  To play orange devils advocate, Obama and other presidents have done the same, in much less theatrical manner of course

  Red Herring. With respect, no they haven't. No President has ever attacked the news media as an institution until Trump.

  Argue about facts, be political, etc? Of course. But never ever has an institution protected by the first amendment been attacked by a President until Trump.

  Wait, I am wrong. Nixon. Forgot about him..... He did it too. Turns out, he was the liar.
  
  
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  491

  What is your opinion of the news media?

  by minimus in

  1. social
  2. current

  to me they have an agenda and they really don't care about professional journalism.

  most are untrustworthy and that's a shame.

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  Just to put this out there....

  It's one thing for Fox News to disagree with any liberal politician as they make no bones about their being right leaning. And guess what, that's constitutionally protected. However, CNN and the major news outlets make no such claims. It's Fox and (if you will recall) news talk radio that started this. They INSISTED that the media was lefty. Simply because their political points of view weren't a majority in government. (Remember Limbaugh's "America Held Hostage" during the Clinton years? Those were such tough times for America.....)

  Framing news will always happen when you report it. However, the bias started, and has always been with Fox News and the fringe right.
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  491

  What is your opinion of the news media?

  by minimus in

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  2. current

  to me they have an agenda and they really don't care about professional journalism.

  most are untrustworthy and that's a shame.

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  Has Trump actually tried to shut down the press or do anything unconstitutional?

  By calling them "fake news" yes he has. If we were to wait until he actually did shut down the press, it would be too late wouldn't it...

  He could end this by moving on with his agenda and start working with the levers of government our founders created and has worked pretty well overall. He still clearly is in campaign mode. He needs to get to work. I am pretty sure he is out of executive orders soon.
  
  
  
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  491

  What is your opinion of the news media?

  by minimus in

  1. social
  2. current

  to me they have an agenda and they really don't care about professional journalism.

  most are untrustworthy and that's a shame.

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  AllTimeJeff

  To Simon:

  First of all, I want to apologize. I made a general statement about mainstream media versus what I see as a "whiter" version of the news. I think that merits it's own discussion thread. However, I see I made it seem like I believe you to be racist, and I don't. I apologize for my sloppy point.

  We both agree that bias exists in the media. I think that the question needs to be redirected to matters of fact.

  You seem to have a comprehension problem. I was answering your question on whether having no free press would be better than a biased one.

  I see an attack on something that is by definition of the First Amendment, a Democratic institution, our free (and biased) press. What is considered "better" or not is irrelevant. It is free. What alternative is there to free? To McCain's point that I quoted above, an adversarial press is something all Presidents should expect as a check. This issue has come up in the light of Trump's recent comments about the news media pushing "fake news." Let's not forget the context. That is 100% wrong where he stands. He deserves censure for that, and more of it in my opinion.

  So not a convenient sidestepping, just a basic fact, one that the press again mis-portrays as a crime. That doesn't mean that his tax returns wouldn't show some crime, but not producing them isn't one.

  A total accident of history, frankly.... Good thing we have a free press to investigate this. I am sure they will find some evidence (facts!) that he will try to ignore and side step. Why do you think he is working so hard right now to discredit the free press. Because of what he is doing now, or what will eventually be found out about him in the future? Where there is smoke, there is fire.

  No, I think the questions asked are why his administration gave the finger to Israel on every chance it could while giving funding and kind words to groups like the Muslim Brotherhood. When Obama says that his role is to promote the idea that Islam is a religion of peace, I think it's fair to question his aims and loyalties.

  And Trump's ideas are to promote Russia as a friendly 2nd cousin to the United States? What's good for the goose is good for the gander here my friend.

  I think you over-simplify the incredibly complex situation that is the occupied territories around Israel. Because Israel is our ally (as they should be) doesn't mean that everything they do is right, moral and just. However, we seem incapable of having a nuanced discussion on this 3,000 year old knot over there. But that goes beyond the scope of this discussion. Needless to say, I think Obama's loyalties are first and foremost to the protection and growth of the United States. As were all other Presidents prior to Trump. Trump is the first president I question that, and it has nothing to do with him being a "Republican".

  I am left of center socially, fiscally conservative, and prefer the company of laid back Libertarians. I also believe that everyone on this thread is in it together. We have to stop fighting and figure this out. But we won't be able to do that with two separate sets of facts.

  The news media isn't the enemy. Some politicians fanning nationalistic flames very much are. That is a shame.