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  No more official visits to disfellowshipped & disassociated ones

  by AverageJoe1 in

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  new letter today (please visit avoidjw.org for a copy of the official letter and yes, i also noticed they got the date wrong!).

  february 28, 2017. to all bodies of elders.

  re: visiting disfellowshipped or disassociated individuals.

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  AllTimeJeff

  My take is that this solves the following elder problems:

  There aren't as many elders anymore, so why stress them out? As others noted, this was never done with any regularity even when I was an elder. With so much to do and fewer numbers than ever doing it, why not keep elders fresh for parroting what is in the latest WT from the platform?

  With the information age in full bloom, elders are going to run into more "apostates" than ever. Some could absolutely have their faith shaken belief system shattered by facts. Why not pick the low hanging fruit of a lonely desperate soul who comes to the KH asking how they can return? The GB knows that there are some smart former JW's who could mess up what's left of their internal control structure. No need to expose them to the possibility of real information.
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  How Old Was Eve When She Was Tempted?

  by berrygerry in

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  has this question ever been answered by wt or biblical apologetic?.

  if near the beginning of her creation, would she not have had the effective development of a a toddler or even a baby?.

  if so, would you sentence a toddler or a baby to death for grabbing an appealing candy from a bowl?.

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  Echoing Blondie, at Gilead they showed a time line of what GB 1.0 thought as to their relative age.

  GB 1.0 (that really means Freddie Franz of course) filled in major gaps by counting backwards from 607 BCE and other JW established dates, which slip my memory at the moment. From there, they came up with some date as to when Adam was created, (4__7 BCE???) and then 30 years later, Eve was created after Adam named all the animals and such. 2-10 days later, s*it happened, and we are all still paying for it.

  I think this is in the old SI book somewhere. It's starting to be too long for me to remember the little details...
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  Do JWs Regard You As An APOSTATE?

  by minimus in

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  i doubt people consider me an apostate but you never know.🤓.

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  AllTimeJeff

  I resigned and couldn't give two....

  However I'm pretty sure they view me as a big A
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  What is your opinion of the news media?

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  to me they have an agenda and they really don't care about professional journalism.

  most are untrustworthy and that's a shame.

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  AllTimeJeff

  The confirmation bias on most everyone's comments on this topic is thick.

  All or nothing will be the death of us all
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  What is your opinion of the news media?

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  to me they have an agenda and they really don't care about professional journalism.

  most are untrustworthy and that's a shame.

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  Simon, I've had my say and I appreciate it. I disagree with you. They don't lie. If they frame stories and characters within those stories in a way you disagree with, that isn't a lie. They don't make stuff up.
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  What is your opinion of the news media?

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  to me they have an agenda and they really don't care about professional journalism.

  most are untrustworthy and that's a shame.

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  To clarify, the stories that the traditional news media reports on are based on facts, not rumor or innuendo. Unless that is Fox News carrying on their Obama is a Muslim/Kenyan born national bull.

  Current stories about Trump's ties to Russia comes from Government Intelligence Agencies. I realize that some of you think Trump was elected to piss off the media. I thought he was elected to run the country. The dude needs to stop campaigning and start governing, if he knows how to do that...
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  What is your opinion of the news media?

  by minimus in

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  to me they have an agenda and they really don't care about professional journalism.

  most are untrustworthy and that's a shame.

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  littlerockerguy, missing the point.

  My point is the basic day in and day out stories, especially where politicians and presidents are concerned, the stories on their merits are factual.

  Brian Williams also lied about something that happened to him personally, not the stories that he reported on.
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  Was There ANYTHING Positive That You Experienced Because of Being a JW?

  by minimus in

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  was there anything positive about your jehovah's witness experience?.

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  AllTimeJeff

  Because the JW's are in reality a well organized sales and marketing organization, I learned all aspects of how to participate in and run one.
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  What is your opinion of the news media?

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  to me they have an agenda and they really don't care about professional journalism.

  most are untrustworthy and that's a shame.

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  Sometimes these threads allow one to crystalize thoughts and opinions by working them out. So i appreciate the give and take.

  It just dawned on me that we are making a very big assumption: Having a Bias equates to a loss of ability to report Facts.

  NOT TRUE.

  If the traditional media has a bias, the more important question is, does it prevent them from presenting the facts and the basics of a story? What evidence is there of this. EVIDENCE.

  In Fox News case, it has in the past. It was just plain irresponsible for them to continue the Obama/Muslim myth. That was done maliciously and on purpose.

  CNN doesn't lie. Neither does CBS, NBC, ABC. FOX is the network that has been screaming bloody murder from the start. That doesn't mean anything.

  This entire thread is based on a false premise. That the traditional news media lies. THERE IS NO EVIDENCE.

  Your impressions are just that. And you can be irritated if you perceive a liberal reporting your news when you are a conservative. But you can't dispute the FACTS.

  I have biases. So do you. So I guess having a bias of any kind means no one can report the facts relating to a news story. That is not reasonable.

  But I am willing to put my biases aside for the truth. I would like to think most here would too. However, if you just want to make this about "biases" then I believe you aren't interested in the real story. You're just interested in your side winning.
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  What is your opinion of the news media?

  by minimus in

  1. social
  2. current

  to me they have an agenda and they really don't care about professional journalism.

  most are untrustworthy and that's a shame.

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  This thread has turned into a defense of Trumps taking a leak on the First Amendment by his supporters, which is their right, they won the election. (If not the popular vote)

  But hey, majority rule is for losers. Sad.

  Freemindfade, Fox News absolutely LIED. LIED. LIED about Obama. Not unlike what Trump is doing now. Do I support Obama freezing them out on occasion? No. However, that was ONE LYING NETWORK.

  Trump is calling out ALL NEWS MEDIA. WHO ARE NOT LYING. SO STOP IT WITH THE FALSE EQUIVALENCY.

  I realize this small nuance might have missed your attention, so I put it in all caps for the point to sink in.