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  AUSTRALIA | Child Abuse Inquiry | Written Submission by Watchtower Society including October 1, 2012 BOE Child Abuse Handling letter | July 28, 2013

  by jwleaks in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  jw leaks has published the written submission, and annexures, made by watchtower bible and tract society of australia to the "inquiry into the handling of child abuse by religious and other organisations" and dated april 9, 2013.. included is a copy of the october 1, 2012 body of elders letter on the handling of child abuse.

  this places the letter into public domain and now means it can be shared internationally.. .

  page 3 of the watchtower's main submission (april 9, 2013) states the following:.

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  There are more Jehovah's Witnesses in Portugal than there are Scientologists in the whole world

  by cedars in

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  2. friends

  it would be nice if this little nougat of information could be more widely known - especially by journalists.. the quoted figures for scientology are taken from tony ortega's 2011 article in the village voice, which quotes former scientology pr executive jeff hawkins as saying.... "i know that event attendance internationally was somewhere in the region of 25,000 to 35,000. the international 'bodies in the shop' (people actually in the orgs that week for service) was 16,000 to 18,000. ias was struggling to get 40,000 members.

  based on this and a lot of other information i was privy to, i estimate the actual number of scientologists at a maximum of 40,000. that's on the high side.".

  portugal is one of 33 countries with more than 40,000 active jehovah's witnesses - demonstrating the gulf in size between the two faiths.. the following list shows all countries with more than 40,000 jws according to their reported peak publishers for 2013.. .

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  WTS counts a lot of the children (15% ???, what would you say?), not baptized, but as publishers. And how these children pay a burdensome price! Throughout their youth, they give forced labor, of door to door, unrealistic meetings for children, horrible persecution complexes in school, abusive guilt complexes, and denial of normal children's interests.
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  Danish book now in English: Judgment Day Must Wait: JWs-A Sect Between Idealism and Deceit, Poul Bregninge

  by AndersonsInfo in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  judgment day must wait: jehovah's witnesses- a sect between idealism and deceit [paperback]poul bregninge (author)publication date: july 16, 2013fear of the apocalypse that never comes!

  it is what holds a jehovah's witness power-bound by the watch tower society in brooklyn.

  armageddon is always just a little way around the corner.. .

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  Why do all the COs have food intolerances/allergies/special dietary requirments?

  by Julia Orwell in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  it's a well known phenomenon i've observed from jwn, my own cos. a new co we had once who was fresh from being a normal elder and after a couple of visits he said, "well i've finally become a true co...i now have food intolerances.".

  i mean, only once did my husband and i ever have a co around for dinner and they couldn't eat this, he couldn't eat that, she couldn't eat this...it was so hard to cook something with none of the zillions of things they were 'allergic' to.. and then after all that the wife couldn't come anyway because she had a naturopath appointment or something.. why do all co's seem to have weird dietary problems?.

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  In fairness, circuit work is such an unnatural life (in addition to the whole JW life), moving every week, every week in a different home. I sensed most CO wives were not happy, I can't blame them. I believe a woman 'needs' her own home and kitchen, even if a small nest. For awhile some were getting their own trailers (late '70s ?) but I heard by mid-'80s that was being discouraged.

  Anyway, I never heard a JW youth, wanting to grow up and be a CO or CO wife.
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  Hi everyone !!!

  by Durden in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i am durden.. a teenager that is an unbaptized publisher and is trying to leave this damn cult !!!.

  i have been lurking here for some time and i decided to start posting with this intro.. im from europe, both my parents are jw's, my parents are both teachers (math teachers).. my parents are "softcore" jw's, they accept all my questions and try to answer them.. i am trying to "convert" my dad (an elder which might complicate things), me and my dad recently had various discussions about the org ("discussions" on the good sense of the word).. we talked about jehovah in the nt, 1975, 1914, gb in 1st century, the cross, "new lights" ..., you know the usual stuff.. and all is going well i think, i think i can "convert" him until the end of summer.. i mean is a logical man, what can go wrong ?

  man, when i found jwfacts it was like my world had collapsed, all thoses lies .... but its good now to have found the truth.

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  wow, Durden, so wonderful that you have learned so much about JWism, the "facts."

  Good that you have some communication open on this with your dad. How long have they been JWs? They have no other family/relatives that are JWs.

  Do everything for preparation for college. I don't see how your parents would deny you that.

  I have good hope for you and your parents too. So many best wishes!
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  Zealous Witnesses who never had children and regret it now.

  by MsGrowingGirl20 in

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  2. friends

  i had two close friends in the org.

  one is in her early thirties and got married last year and the other one is single and in her late twenties.

  after reading coc, i couldn't help but feel sad at how ray and his wife felt regret at putting the religion first and not having any children.

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  I suspect it's more the husbands not wanting children anyway by their own personal nature, but they hide behind that to come off as very "spiritual" and sacrificing, till after Armageddon. Though some wives are that way also, many of the wives are put off to wait also.

  Too, if they are already in full-time work of special pioneers, Bethelites, missionaries, CO, or DO, they would have to leave and get a real job to support their family.

  Unfortunately, many would see "parenthood" as a demotion in their 'position' of their world/life.
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  Greetings from an anonymous convention city.

  by ctrwtf in

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  Gayle

  GB then weren't concerned for the rank and file's health or well-being, and they aren't now.

  But they may be concerned about lawsuits now, thus smaller crowds, indoors, no meals or refreshment foods available, fewer days, fewer hours, etc.
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  NYT Breaking News-Internet Disrupts Mormon Church

  by Band on the Run in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  excuse tyoos.

  i am breaking in a new smart phone keyp.

  yesterday or today s mobile breaking news summary included a piece that ranked with the syrian civil war, the zimmemsn trial aftermath, business newd , etc.

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  Interesting, thx, I suppose the Mormon Church could excommunicate him now but now thankfully due to Internet and media, that puts that Church in a bind. Years ago without Internet, a person like him would be excommunicated and no one would probably know the facts about why. Now with Internet people can know the inside facts.

  I think if Ray Franz had Internet, his facts would have shaken the organization much more. Like, now, if a GB left the org. due to doctrinal and policy issues it would have a tremendous impact. But I don't have any hope about this present GB bunch.
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  30 JWs baptized every hour

  by Calebs Airplane in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i just came across this gem on "the chatanoogan"... it was an ad/article about the 2013 dc at the nw georgia trade & convention center arena .... what i found most interesting was the fluff at the end of the article.... fast facts - jehovah's witnesses worldwide.

  6 - new congregations formed each day30 - people baptized each hour on average239 - lands where jehovah's witnesses currently preach595 - languages in which they publish bibles and bible-based literature111,719 congregations worldwide7,538,994 - ministers who teach the bible19,000,000 - people who attend their meetings or conventions179,000,000 - bibles published by jehovah's witnesses in 116 languages20,000,000,000 - pieces of bible-based literature published by jehovah's witnesses over the past 10 yearsare you kidding me?

  6 congos formed each day?

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  Avg. of baptisms per cong ones getting baptized is 2.4 worldwide annually. Each cong avg. of 67 active reg. pubs. only worldwide. For meeting(s), it is really only the Memorial, once a year, that 19M attend, which the last couple years indicate a decrease since a couple years ago.
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  Former Longtime Elder - Reflections

  by James Jackson in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the meetings are getting more boring to me.

  some of the elders during their parts just talk and talk and talk about uninteresting things.

  boring, boring.

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  In the U.S. apparently the total number of Elders is 88,500+ as opposed to M Ss 65,000. http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/child-abuse/203961/1/WTBTS-Elder-Ministerial-Servant-Problems (posted a couple yrs ago) Wonder if there's any updates on that.

  Sounds like your cong. is in the avg.