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Did Jesus lie or just changed his mind?

by EdenOne in

john 7:8-10.

"go up to the festival yourselves.

i'm not going to this festival yet, because my time has not yet fully come.

humbled

Eden,

Thanks for the list of translations. It looks like Tischendorf should win out for having the oldest text.

I took awhile to figure out what was up with the variety of translations.(It can be a drag to sort this stuff out because I am not a Greek scholar) There turned out that different Greek texts were used for the old KJV(from which James Strong created the Concordance) and for subsequent translations after Tischendorf found an older text.

The old KJV didn't have the same Greek reading from the Textus Receptus as the codex Siniaticus for the yet. The KJV put yet in both places It seems that the Tischendorf should get the vote on the one yet since that is the oldest NT copy we know of--so far.

So here we are--again. Did Jesus lie or did he just change his mind?

Is there a good way to know?

I lean toward cutting Jesus whatever slack he needs because all we ever have is hearsay. The trouble always with Jesus, right? But, he seems to have been fairly straight up in other ways. On the other hand, if he had changed his mind, is that wrong?

Maeve

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What you were TOLD vs. what Jesus SAID: getting SAVED

by humbled in

could jesus have shown us the way to healing, preservation, wholeness but we turned ministry his into a theological nightmare?.

just wondering if punkofnice and my family will be bonding in hell together 'cause they aren't "saved".. and wondering if i really am an apostate..

humbled

When I read these posts I am not afraid of life without big "C" church .

The unity comes along without force. Fear goes away, too.

I

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Did Jesus lie or just changed his mind?

by EdenOne in

john 7:8-10.

"go up to the festival yourselves.

i'm not going to this festival yet, because my time has not yet fully come.

humbled

I agree with sd-7 about Jesus saying "I'm not going yet..."

"Yet" is used twice in the scripture cited and it is not one of those words that was kinda implied but not written in the Greek. There was a Greek word used that qualified what he said.

If he was being really sneaky he should have dropped the "yet".

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Scripturally-Speaking, Do You Think First Century Christians Were Taught To "Hate" All Apostates???

by bjc2read in

here are some searching questions about the governing body's public position on the prescribed treatment of all "apostates" against the organization, as taught at the most recent summer assemblies of jehovah's witnesses, in the year of 2013.. in your opinion, why does not the verse (shown below) not apply to how jehovah's witnesses are currently taught to feel about "apostates," and their activities toward the organization?

the verses in question, are from the words of jesus who clearly said:.

"however, i say to you: continue to love your enemies and to pray for those persecuting you that you may prove yourselves sons of your father who is in the heavens, since he makes his sun rise upon wicked people and good and makes it rain upon righteous people and unrighteous.

humbled

I love your synopsis, jgnat.

Maeve

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What you were TOLD vs. what Jesus SAID: getting SAVED

by humbled in

could jesus have shown us the way to healing, preservation, wholeness but we turned ministry his into a theological nightmare?.

just wondering if punkofnice and my family will be bonding in hell together 'cause they aren't "saved".. and wondering if i really am an apostate..

humbled

CS,

It may be that I agree with what you have written: I know that the JWs are not doing God's work.But if you are a member of an organized religion that has prophets who can tell you today that your belief of yesterday must change today--then perhaps we are not understanding one another.

You wrote: "Salvation is a journey" And I might say "Jesus tells us that salvation involves being "born again".

But what is that?

The man named Nicodemus asked that question too. I like that Jesus answered with what might be called poetry. Some might say, that may be the problem here. Jesus doesn't naail it down for us.

"But fools walk in where angels fear to tread."

"born again" gets nailed down in many churches. But as far as we know from the scriptures, Jesus never nailed it down for Nicodemus--So salvation becomes a journey and being born again is that man's own undertaking, and salvation is as personal a process as birth--Some are slow and some are long and difficult.

I do not believe that Jesus wanted anyone to interfere with that "birth" beyond minor interventions.He warned of that at Matthew 23:10--not one of his followers were to call themselves an "official guide or an authoritative leader".

What do you think of having someone else mediate the process other than Jesus?

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My JW best friend is bringing a 'heavy' around to my house to talk some sense into me.

by Julia Orwell in

jw
friends

i agreed, if only because i want to see my friend of many years.

the 'heavy' is a large, imposing man with a booming voice and is a creature of the gb through and thru (eg only visited his dfd dad on his death bed because it was a 'good witness' to the hospital staff) and i'm feeling stressed about seeing him.

i so badly wanted to see my friend though, i agreed without thinking and now wish i hadn't have.

humbled

This is a time to pray, girl.

Just treat him as a guest and nothing else. I'm sure you are a fine hostess. Just put your mind there.

Maybe he'll leave a tip!

But just remember, he will leave.

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My JW best friend is bringing a 'heavy' around to my house to talk some sense into me.

by Julia Orwell in

jw
friends

i agreed, if only because i want to see my friend of many years.

the 'heavy' is a large, imposing man with a booming voice and is a creature of the gb through and thru (eg only visited his dfd dad on his death bed because it was a 'good witness' to the hospital staff) and i'm feeling stressed about seeing him.

i so badly wanted to see my friend though, i agreed without thinking and now wish i hadn't have.

humbled

So true, LisaRose

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Just wondering...

by molybdenum in

for those of you who are "out" forcibly ( disfellowshipped) or voluntarily ( dissasociated) is there anything.

that you actually miss about the witnesses or meetings?.

humbled

A few weeks ago watched a film called the Truman Show. Many have seen it--Jim Carrey plays a man whose life is staged as a reality show--only he doesn't know it. He is the only "real" person in it. Everyone else in it are actors--so, pleasant as it is made for him, it is false. Ultimately, he "wakes up" to it.

And he couldn't stand it.

That is what happened to me when I learned TheTruthAboutTheTruth. I was driving to the meeting alone in my truck when it occurred that all the things that had happened pointed to one thing--it was false. My truck turned into a parking lot along the road and I sat and shook and cried. And could not go to a meeting again. I went for discussions with the elders--but never again for a meeting and do not like to remember them now at all.

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What you were TOLD vs. what Jesus SAID: getting SAVED

by humbled in

could jesus have shown us the way to healing, preservation, wholeness but we turned ministry his into a theological nightmare?.

just wondering if punkofnice and my family will be bonding in hell together 'cause they aren't "saved".. and wondering if i really am an apostate..

humbled

Yes, Laika, I think we should keep it simple too.

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What you were TOLD vs. what Jesus SAID: getting SAVED

by humbled in

could jesus have shown us the way to healing, preservation, wholeness but we turned ministry his into a theological nightmare?.

just wondering if punkofnice and my family will be bonding in hell together 'cause they aren't "saved".. and wondering if i really am an apostate..

humbled

sorry, folks, I'm not able to express myself well. I mean to say--Is it possible that people don't hear Jesus for more than one reason?

The gospels gave one reason--some just rejected his teaching because they liked the status quo.

But there are now dogmas and ideas not part of what was in the gospel that people heard sitting at his feet. These days, perhaps people do not "get saved" because they are not able to hear that gospel. We know we didn't hear it or preach it as JWs. If that easy,light burden has been made heavy with doctrines foreign to his good news then who can blame them?

Some people I know will say they like Jesus--and they have no use for Christianity.