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  I know why you are here.

  by compound complex in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  greetings, friends:.

  wishing you well today.

  below is a story that came to mind as i lay awake, contemplating the new day.

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  humbled

  Coco,

  Reading this makes me wonder if you hear from snowbird. I used to enjoy listening in on ya'll's literary threads...

  take care, brother.

  Maeve
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  What if...

  by DeWandelaar in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i was having a short conversation with my neighbour.

  they are very nice people and they are moslim.

  because the weather is getting more extremer by the day (all over the world) and it was cold this morning i started talking about the weather.

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  humbled

  DeWandelaar,

  In the end, the writings are 2,000 years old. If finally there are global events, what of it?

  If a dinosaur bible had warned of a coming cataclysm, well--eventually it came about. and an ice age later

  If a fortune teller told me I would die, should I pay them for telling me something I didn't know would happen sooner or later?

  The bottom line for me is only this:am I living in a way that won't shame me no matter if I had to answer to Jesus or to myself only.

  On the other hand, I think we humans are not treating the earth with the respect due it.
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  Ex- Jehovers Witnesses finds Christ...

  by new hope and happiness in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  recentley i read ray franz book " christian freedom" and it occurd to me if he had lost his faith and become athiest the society would have delighted in that.

  i think had ray turned athiest it would have been more easily " justified" in the mags what a " evil man he was" ....but maintaining his faith left the possibillity the society could be wrong.. .

  i am athiest but i kept this to myself when i left... any comments?.

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  humbled

  You know, Jgnat, if I have heard you at all, you have had a consistent voice or perspective in outlook that your daughter may appreciate as she talks more to you.

  You seemed to allow for a "god" who was reasonable and loving. When your knowledge expanded, you were still open to that god. If your posts on the epic tsunami thread are a fair measure of where you are now, then your estimate of the Christian God of the bible doesn't meet the original criteria you held. god is not found there.

  At any rate, I know I have changed. The God of the bible is man's creature. But I am still exploring the Good that we all long for.

  I hope she lets herself talk more about this.

  take care, Maeve
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  Ex- Jehovers Witnesses finds Christ...

  by new hope and happiness in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  recentley i read ray franz book " christian freedom" and it occurd to me if he had lost his faith and become athiest the society would have delighted in that.

  i think had ray turned athiest it would have been more easily " justified" in the mags what a " evil man he was" ....but maintaining his faith left the possibillity the society could be wrong.. .

  i am athiest but i kept this to myself when i left... any comments?.

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  humbled

  Right, New Hope.

  Until now my simple explanation for leaving the JWs was"I didn't leave because I DON'T believe in God, I left because I DO."

  (A not-so -simple situation when you do not believe in the-bible-god any more.)
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  Humans used a hearth for fire and cooking 300,000 years ago!

  by Comatose in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/01/140127101236.htm.

  summary:.

  when did humans really begin to control fire and use it for their daily needs?

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  humbled

  ^^^^^^^^Sir 82, Perfect! Exactly! ^^^^^^^^^^^
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  Alleged Prophecies Fulfilled by Jesus

  by JanH in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  most exjws are familiar with the claims that the gospel accounts about jesus "fulfills" around 300 prophecies in the old testament.

  this claim is taken verbatim from christian fundamentalists.

  checking out these so-called prophecies will reveal that they do not stand up to scrutiny.

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  humbled

  For many of us the grave disappointment and conflict we faced in religion was how the words of Jesus were overwhelmed by the claims of the religious interpreters of the NT.

  Jesus said he stood on his teachings. that is in the accepted canon of scripture and the heretical (so-called)gospels.

  It is clear in the gospels, inspite of religion, that religion should never claim our conscience.

  Getting thrown out of the synagoge should be a badge of honor for a christian--but no church will teach that!
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  Ex- Jehovers Witnesses finds Christ...

  by new hope and happiness in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  recentley i read ray franz book " christian freedom" and it occurd to me if he had lost his faith and become athiest the society would have delighted in that.

  i think had ray turned athiest it would have been more easily " justified" in the mags what a " evil man he was" ....but maintaining his faith left the possibillity the society could be wrong.. .

  i am athiest but i kept this to myself when i left... any comments?.

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  humbled

  Very interesting OP and conversation.

  It's hard to unravel the God thing altogether.

  It is one thing to throw over a lying destructive cult. And next you question all religion. and then question the experiences you have had and attributed to God. And THEN ask why the hell you believe in any of the cock-and-bull stories that have come down these past 6000+ years of other people's stories about god.

  It is a weight to have to lift. I know of too many "miracles" that I had to allow that happen by chance. Not hearsay. but wonderful personal events. But I know that these things have also happened or not happened to others in a fashion so random that my own experience cannot be attributed to god. There is no reason for me to believe a loving god is so inconsiderate and inconsistent.

  Illustration that helped me think:My sister has a pet box turtle she acquired when she opened her door in central Arkansas on New Years day--at the foot of the steps a wash of leaves with crusts of frost on them she saw a new hatched turtle, complete with a bump on its beak(egg "tooth"). I saw it with my own eyes afew days later.

  No lies, no miracle, a strange event neverthe less. There had to be a series of natural events that made that turtle as amazing as Moses in the bulrushes.

  And he ain't even a christian.

  But I have no trouble with the scant evidence that a carpenter during the roman occupation of Judea broke out with a Pete Seeger message to the poor.

  Religion serves good teachings a BAD TURN. Teachings are valuable when they build love and friendship. Bad teachings only make you followers. When teachings fail to help you become self-reflectively honest and loving then they are shams.

  As for Ray--I love that Ray wrote what he did. I don't know quite how my religious friends will deal with me as my own understanding of god has changed.....

  I'm listening to you, New Hope, Kate, Lucid, Punky....
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  I know why you are here.

  by compound complex in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  greetings, friends:.

  wishing you well today.

  below is a story that came to mind as i lay awake, contemplating the new day.

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  humbled

  A gentle going into "that good night".... We hope for so kindly a passing!

  Good morning, Coco.

  Maeve
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  Pete Seeger, the great peace activist and folk singer, has passed

  by designs in

  1. social
  2. entertainment

  pete seeger wrote songs that became the heart and soul of the civil rights movement- where have all the flowers gone, if i had a hammer, turn turn turn, waist depp in the big muddy, we shall overcome.... we traveled to the newport folk festival, which pete helped establish, and got to sing with the great man himself.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1y2siieqy34.

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  humbled

  Hell, yes, designs.^^^^^^

  Those songs pulled at my heart as a 12 year old in a conservative world. They reached my heart planting their simple poetry and love of LIFE in me.
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  I feel sorry for the R.Catholic's that got hoodwinked by the J.W.watchtower cult

  by bobld in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  they are now apostates in the eyes of the church.they are ostracized by family and friends.they have lost the privilege of confessing their sins to a priest and the blessed sacrament of the holy eucharist.just imagine and 18 yr old getting the boot from the parents to leave home.. now,the brainwashed cult member has the audacity to tell family and friends(if allowed) that the r.c.c.

  lied to him/her and said that they could not read and understand the bible w/o the help of the priest.heaven forbid,if they read the publications of the watchtower,the faithful slave(gb) tells j.w.

  that they cannot read the bible on their own and understand it w/o the help of the slave.it is in one ear and out the other.. r.c.c would not ostracize their members..

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  humbled

  Not enough difference between them in the end. Transubstantiation. the Immaculate Conception of Mary(that is SHE is immaculately conceived--not Jesus)and various other things that have involved flip-flops for which burning at the stake was the remedy--How about the "filioque", the mish-mash of teachings on contraception ,unmarried priests. Galileo.

  I loved a lot about catholicism from my childhood.

  Stories of St. Francis, incense, the spooky-cool statues.

  And they could kill each other. My dad's gun crew dug in near a German town in WWII and dad said it was great--the RRChurch was the same al over the world, he told me--he went to mass in a town where the men had gone to war against his countrymen.

  cool--the same church for all.

  Messed up.The JWs don't get to follow Jesus and the Catholics are f#@ked up about it too. They follow the leader--and I don't mean Jesus.

  Religion constipates faith.