"They are only human."
And they are prophets speaking for God? Then what does that say for the rest of the Bible? Paul, Peter, Luke, Moses, etc.?
It's a bottomless pit.
(sorry for untitled post before - my pc must have the demunz).
am i the only one who gets incredible irritated by the excuse "they are only human"?
geez, i had no idea.
"They are only human."
And they are prophets speaking for God? Then what does that say for the rest of the Bible? Paul, Peter, Luke, Moses, etc.?
It's a bottomless pit.
imagine a world where being "gay" the norm & being "straight" would be the minority!
[short film].. .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnojgdw0gpi.
Viviane, Maybe comments are the effects of being raised "in the Truth"
Edit:No one should need an "agenda" just to live without being hated.
imagine a world where being "gay" the norm & being "straight" would be the minority!
[short film].. .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnojgdw0gpi.
james brown, I think the OP is named for the film that is posted above--the actual proposal is not to create a gay world. That is not being proposed-
-The film shows what happens when you are born one way and you are subjected to majority rule. The film puts the shoe on the other foot---
It's only 19 minutes of your time. Look at what it is saying first.
Maeve
imagine a world where being "gay" the norm & being "straight" would be the minority!
[short film].. .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnojgdw0gpi.
absolutely, valkerie- none of mine were well planned and only 2 were deliberate.
Maeve
imagine a world where being "gay" the norm & being "straight" would be the minority!
[short film].. .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnojgdw0gpi.
Getting to the personal: Years ago, before I was a JW, I knew a kid in the community who everyone knew had an "identity" problem--as in sexual id. In early teens it was obviously not gay, but not lined up on mind/body for gender. Later, changes were made surgically and that individual disappeared from the community. Family accepted a "re-assigned" person.
Another instance. I attended an old primitive Baptist church n the back woods for a while and there was a quiet 40-ish man who was named Francis who still lived with his old mom and dad. Everyone in the tiny stone church knew that when he was born he was named "Frances"--They were not entirely sure if they had a boy child or a girl child. Puberty came to Frances in her dresses but when it was over he was wearing trousers--and they spelled his name "Francis". No surgery--just nature.
This is real stuff. We are born the way we are born. Is it a mess-up? Can't blame them, can't blame God. Life on earth won't end if they find a mate and make a family.
Go with it people.
I am a woman--I've birthed 7 children. That's the way I was born. I know gay men and gay women. They are good friends. One of these friends whom I met while I was a JW asked me this year why I became her friend and didn't cut her off because she is gay. I told her that I just knew it wasn't right.
Let them alone to find their way. Life should not be harder for them than it is for heteros. It is no harm to anyone.
Maeve
Edit: I'm glad you posted the video, Dis-member. Well done.
....involve someone else being controlledor affected by your chosen god?.
if someone else is controlled or affected, doesn't this mean that freewill is out the window?.
surely god either does or doesn't answer prayers?.
Sure, pray to have good sense and be genuinely fair and kind in dealing with others. If that has an effect on them it's not that it undermines their free will.*
*Edited: Of course this is in line with the quote provided by ADCMS by Epicurius. We must do this ourselves.
greetings, friends:.
wishing you well today.
below is a story that came to mind as i lay awake, contemplating the new day.
Coco,
Reading this makes me wonder if you hear from snowbird. I used to enjoy listening in on ya'll's literary threads...
take care, brother.
Maeve
i was having a short conversation with my neighbour.
they are very nice people and they are moslim.
because the weather is getting more extremer by the day (all over the world) and it was cold this morning i started talking about the weather.
DeWandelaar,
In the end, the writings are 2,000 years old. If finally there are global events, what of it?
If a dinosaur bible had warned of a coming cataclysm, well--eventually it came about. and an ice age later
If a fortune teller told me I would die, should I pay them for telling me something I didn't know would happen sooner or later?
The bottom line for me is only this:am I living in a way that won't shame me no matter if I had to answer to Jesus or to myself only.
On the other hand, I think we humans are not treating the earth with the respect due it.
recentley i read ray franz book " christian freedom" and it occurd to me if he had lost his faith and become athiest the society would have delighted in that.
i think had ray turned athiest it would have been more easily " justified" in the mags what a " evil man he was" ....but maintaining his faith left the possibillity the society could be wrong.. .
i am athiest but i kept this to myself when i left... any comments?.
You know, Jgnat, if I have heard you at all, you have had a consistent voice or perspective in outlook that your daughter may appreciate as she talks more to you.
You seemed to allow for a "god" who was reasonable and loving. When your knowledge expanded, you were still open to that god. If your posts on the epic tsunami thread are a fair measure of where you are now, then your estimate of the Christian God of the bible doesn't meet the original criteria you held. god is not found there.
At any rate, I know I have changed. The God of the bible is man's creature. But I am still exploring the Good that we all long for.
I hope she lets herself talk more about this.
take care, Maeve
recentley i read ray franz book " christian freedom" and it occurd to me if he had lost his faith and become athiest the society would have delighted in that.
i think had ray turned athiest it would have been more easily " justified" in the mags what a " evil man he was" ....but maintaining his faith left the possibillity the society could be wrong.. .
i am athiest but i kept this to myself when i left... any comments?.
Right, New Hope.
Until now my simple explanation for leaving the JWs was"I didn't leave because I DON'T believe in God, I left because I DO."
(A not-so -simple situation when you do not believe in the-bible-god any more.)