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  Helping my husband wake up, need advice.

  by Whynot in

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  2. beliefs

  my husband is dfed but he is a prime example of someone who was a puppet for the watchtower.

  i was able to wake him a little with the sex abuse scandal.

  he was an elder and is very familiar with those rules.

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  Whynot — Revelation 14:1-5 Is the scripture that helped me out of the the Organization. That bible passage convinced me that the GB was wrong to arrogate the ultimate authority they claimed. That passage says plainly that the defining characteristic of these people would be that they “follow the Lamb wherever he goes” yet the GB teaches that these ones must defer to the ( fallible) teachings of the GB. This teaching overthrows the “brothers of Christ”—the 144,000.

  Ceding authority to these men destroyed and outlawed genuine faith even among the so-called Anointed.

  The GB are not God’s mouthpiece on earth.
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  So I guess my old hall got dissolved. The great decrease continues....

  by Darkknight757 in

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  2. beliefs

  my mil came by to drop some pressure on my wife to go to the three day this weekend.

  she told her that she wants our baby to live forever and that she wants us to come back.

  apparently people would be “so happy” to see us return to the fold.

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  Yep, keep that baby safe!

  Far, faaarrrrrrr away from the terrible Truff.
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  Should it be considered sexual harassment?

  by Addison0998 in

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  2. beliefs

  on thing that really makes me angry and disgusted is when i think of the way in the past that the elders pressured me over and over again to have a meeting with them over a petty make out and petting incident.

  they asked such instrusive, personal questions like, “did he touch your breast, for how long?

  under or over your clothes?” i know that this happens to thousands of people, especially young women, and it’s just not right, it makes me so angry that i almost feel tempted to confront the elder who especially did this, when i see him at the convention in a few weeks and tell him what a sick person he is and how much trauma he caused me, manipulating me and pressuring me to answer such instrusive questions while he sat there and took notes!!

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  P.s. Laugh. Laugh as soon as you possibly can, Addison.🌺🍻❤️
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  Should it be considered sexual harassment?

  by Addison0998 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  on thing that really makes me angry and disgusted is when i think of the way in the past that the elders pressured me over and over again to have a meeting with them over a petty make out and petting incident.

  they asked such instrusive, personal questions like, “did he touch your breast, for how long?

  under or over your clothes?” i know that this happens to thousands of people, especially young women, and it’s just not right, it makes me so angry that i almost feel tempted to confront the elder who especially did this, when i see him at the convention in a few weeks and tell him what a sick person he is and how much trauma he caused me, manipulating me and pressuring me to answer such instrusive questions while he sat there and took notes!!

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  Sexual harassment—yes.

  They say it is a “sin” not a “crime”—so how much info did this guy need?

  Omg! Sure wish l could remember book, chapter, verse where they gathered how much of sinfulness to charge you with:

  ”10 seconds through the shirt... let’s see- - with buttons or without. Were you buttoned at the time, sister?

  Yeyaaah. Okay . Was that an underwire bra? Demerits for you if it wasn’t padded.

  No, Brother Snigger, the elders manual says it definitely IS worse if she is unpadded. Definitely. Not only is padding allowed,it is encouraged — theocratic war fare you know. No loss of merit for that.

  But thin sheer honesty !! And in a brassiere! No, even when felt through a well-buttoned shirt.....tsk, tsk. I don’t care if she is only a 34B!

  Sister, that will cost you one shunning and 50 cents due immediately!”
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  On this Fathers Day...

  by babygirl30 in

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  2. friends

  i have never really spoken on social media about my jw family shunning me.

  i didnt even discuss or answer any questions about why they didnt come to my wedding, my birthday parties, why there are never any pics of them with me/us together.

  until today.... today i woke up and had this insane desire to be open.

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  Keeping anyone’s secret is the burden no one should bear.. not when they are consciously perpetrating the behavior.

  Good for you, girl. Rock on!
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  Reassigned, ...to complete erasure from memory and near poverty.

  by Lostandfound in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  a complete scandal is the reassignment to nothing of the thousands (?

  ) of bethelites, over age cos etc, .

  out on the street atfter decades of unpaid service in very many cases.

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  Sad isn’t big enough for these stories.
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  Austria Begins Closing Mosques and Deporting Imams

  by cofty in

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  2. current

  austria, a member of the eu since 1995, is a country of 8.8 million people with a muslim population of around 600,000 mostly turkish immigrants.

  in 2015 it passed an 'islam law' prohibiting foreign funding of religious groups and creating a duty for muslim organisations to have 'a positive fundamental view towards state and society'.. many mosques in austria have continued to receive money from turkish muslim organisations so the new right-wing government have decided to enforce the law.

  seven mosques have been identified for closure and 60 imams are to be either deported or refused visas.

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  I second that request.

  Scotsman, could you elaborate?

  Clearly the Austrian government is concerned with the problem of assimilating a vast number of people. You have read the thread.

  As an American in a southern state l find that in a room of people of different backgrounds, classes, occupations will give entirely different responses to certain questions. They will or won’t say there is a serious problem in our state with child welfare, homelessness, drugs, prisons, housing, transportation and jobs.

  Persons who live apart from the working classes and the poor—they think the poor who are sinking under their burdens simply have a moral problem. I live in the middle of it and their plight is complicated.

  l think the problems Countries face with radical Islam are likewise complicated.

  Please don’t thing me dismissive or rude to say that an elderly Viennese historian might see the historical follies of the past in the crude responses of fearful citizens and yet fail to see a real problem provokes that concern. She may be in a class far removed from the frictions. I just suggest it because l see it here in my state. As for history and it has been there too that the rulers can be unaware of the struggles beyond their salons and libraries. “Let them eat cake!”

  
  
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  Universal sovereignty on trial

  by Factfulness in

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  2. beliefs

  i just had a thought of clarity regarding the jw explanation for this doctrine.

  they explain that satan challenged god regarding his right to rule.

  god failed to prove his right to rule.

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  SBF—you describe the position of(l will call it) non-agent cause without nailing it to a one word description lbut continue using a hack word “God”that triggers most people for whom it has various and prejudiced meaning. Perhaps your loose and poetic as “God” doesn’t fit into science. It certainly is not a universal concept.

  Cant you find a better point of entry for discussion than the ill reputed “God” of the Bible? Or at least give it a different name.
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  Universal sovereignty on trial

  by Factfulness in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i just had a thought of clarity regarding the jw explanation for this doctrine.

  they explain that satan challenged god regarding his right to rule.

  god failed to prove his right to rule.

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  Slimboyfat— Some reasons people have for believing in God in the first place include: 1) the fact that anything exists at all rather than nothing 2) personal experiences or encounters with the divine ....

  It would be wrong to ignore this thought, slim. It very likely is root and branch where the idea of god arose in the first place —with rigid theologies soon to follow.

  Many of us have had experiences so compelling that we are forced bear witness that they did indeed occur even if we are loathe to admit it. If it were universal and normal experience then others wouldn’t be suspicious of our mental state and our motive.

  Some weeks ago there was a thread that invited us to share our experiences of the supernatural. (For obvious reasons this applies to your second point for why folks might believe in god. ) It drew a lot of stories...and a few critics.

  What am l wallering around is the notion that when we elevate these strange encounters and make them a point of theology we do harm. To call these events an encounter with the divine can be harmful. Framing the tale to prove or disprove god might give hope to some but often inflicts a great deal of pain for those l not similarly “blessed”.

  There would be no stigma attached to simply recounting strange happenings if religion and theology didn’t demand to co-opt our story. It would be delightful if we could learn to tell our stories without having to fit it inyo another’s moral framework

  We could if the theologians let us alone. And if science would not judge us either.

  But we too are at fault . We have to let go of the need to force others to believe along with us. After all, what is divine anyway?

  The effort to “true up” all these stories and theologies is unending. Your point #2 is where we should let the mystery be .
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  Child trafficking issues in India

  by MaxPayne in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  this is the message that was posted on the jw inbox announcements tab.

  i have copy pasted it as it was.

  if anyone from india has any information related to this, please do share.. regards.. urgent: child trafficking accusations.

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  Trafficking of Child and women is a serious concern prevalent in India. According to a report published by the US Department of State, India is the source, destination and transit country for human trafficking who then get involved in forced labor and sex trafficking. The statistics of the Ministry of Women and Child Development states that 19,223 women and children were trafficked in 2016 against 15,448 in 2015.

  Corney— the above is from a longer article on the subject.

  The vigilantism that has grown in response to the increase in India’s sex crimes is terrifying. The failure of the citizens and their government to examine and dismantle the deep class divides and the misogyny that lives along side it reminds us in every country to deal with human rights abuse openly, throughly and swiftly.

  India is a wildfire of sex abuse and paranoia.

  purrpurr— l don’t know the process by which the supposed trafficking is done in Indian KH. Maybe the posters from lndia know what is or is not occurring?