Posts by humbled

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Is Modern Marriage Unscriptual?

by wearewatchingyouman in

so as far as we know jesus was never married.

i've often wondered why this was.

was it because of a personal belief?

humbled

Marriage seems to be humanity's way of getting people to be responsible for their "significant other" and offspring, WAWYM.

Marriage seems at its core to be a way to sort out"who's watching the kids" as FHN said.

Being a fatherless child was a problem w/o government subsidies.

Being "used" then discarded w/o ceremony has indeed a problem for women.

Jesus seems to be concerned about failing to truly acknowledge responsible family connection:"Corban"let children ignore the welfare of an aged parent. The woman at the well had not made a claim to a husband but was yet "shopping" herself around--no mention of children.

I don't know what to think of marriage these days. I mean that.

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Is Modern Marriage Unscriptual?

by wearewatchingyouman in

so as far as we know jesus was never married.

i've often wondered why this was.

was it because of a personal belief?

humbled

Modern marriage =vows? Not always.

While some churches call the bans of marriage "vows", marriages are mostly civil/social contracts both now and in Jesus' time. Even now the spiritual aspect certainly is part of the desired privilege of marriage that same sex couples seek but the social/civil benefit of having legal recognition if paramount: rights of a spouse confers so many practical protections.

Sex was an implied contract of "one flesh" that has long formed a part of a marriage celebration.(Children do not ask to be born yet--who will care for them? Who will claim them?) But it was not necessary(and I understand still is not) for a rabbi to officiate a wedding for it to be legitimate. A dear friend may bless the union. There were witnesses needed, in the main, to note that the couple did indeed go alone into the marriage chamber--the assumption being that two healthy people so attracted to each other would indeed become "one flesh" if left alone for a little while .

Personally, marriage vows that bind you tighter than the personal commitment to one's spouse are bad. They set you up for hypocritical and disfunctional union in the same way as a JW baptism.

Yep--let your yes mean yes. And for goodness sake--somebody take care---lovingly--of the children.

Edit: Sorry, missed your clarifying post--but I agree that the JWs confine two people as much as join them. Not good. Small wonder--that's what their baptism means. They don't let you work out your own marriage or" your own salvation with fear nd trembling".

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Ladies of a "certain age", advice please.

by quellycatface in

jw
friends

do any of you lovely ladies, or men even, have any natural remedies for night sweats???.

i'm going crazy with them at the moment.. thanks in advance..

humbled

I didn't have night sweat-only day time hotflashes --yes it finally passed.

I have a good friend who has had a protracted change-of-life and she carries a little palm fan where ever she goes. she turns beet red and glows. What she does at night I wonder--the fan?

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James 3:9 - Why can't we all just get along?

by objectivetruth in

once you start viewing "worldly" people as people, just like yourself and everyone else, you can't help but to be filled with love and appreciation.. i read this scripture today and liked it :.

james 3:7-9 - for every kind of beast and bird, of reptile and sea creature, can be tamed and has been tamed by mankind, 8 but no human being can tame the tongue.

it is a restless evil, full of deadly poison.

humbled

Transhuman,

Not only out of print, but didn't a guy named Duncan who wrote it get disfellowshipped in the 1980s?

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Reunion- Stepping Back to a Time Before All the JW Stuff Started

by OnTheWayOut in

although i was exposed to the jw's as a child as the only religion i knew, i was not a jw until i got out of the navy as a conscientious objector.

so i was typical "worldly" when i hit 18 out of high school and i got to see the world before personal catastrophy involving heavy drinking made me turn to the lies that i thought were "the truth.

" so just over 30 years ago, i got the special privilege of serving as the original crew of a brand new ship with a crew slightly over 200. i served 5 years on the "uss worldly" and then left to become a jw.. when you are the first crew, you learn together how to use that ship, how to run things smoothly.

humbled

This thread has made me weep tonight. There were such great people I "left behind for the kingdom's sake". They were there for me when i came to my senses. I just am sorry for the years I spent in such futility. I am sorry for my family.

It is wonderful to read this thread even though it has affected me with tears. It is emotion not simply sadness. The stories of authentic selves budding forth are so moving. Friendships. Lost loves found.

Good thread, good night.

Maeve

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My personal movie review: Darren Aronofsky's NOAH

by Terry in

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friends

noah, my movie review.

you may have already judged this film and you've never seen it!

like many of its critics, you think you know what you're going to see and .

humbled

A great review is a thought-provoking literary form that enriches the reader whether or not the material under consideration is deemed good, bad or indifferent.

You stirred my brain on this one, Terry. Some great insights and a difficult place (JWN) to present a "thumbs up" on a bible-based drama.

And now--I might see the film.

Maeve

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I Heard A Longtime Elder, Recently Deleted, Announced To Congregation That He Was Publicly Disassociating Himself!

by minimus in

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friends

i heard that it happened a couple of days ago.

he's in his 60's, was a prominent bethelite from a long line of bible student/jw family.. another one bites the dust..

humbled

I would love the details, Minimus. Any chance we'll get some?

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First post after a year or two of lurking on this site-Sorry for the length!

by Pattytheperfect1 in

not sure of the point of telling my story, but just got off the phone with my grandma and i am so angry, stressed and i don't know what else...i guess i just wanted to hear from someone other than my husband that i'm not crazy for my reaction to family interaction.. my condensed story gramatical errors and all :).

father was a born in jw, mother was a convert.

i was born the last of 3 siblings and shortly after my birth in 1981 my parents divorced.

humbled

Patty--

Hello. What an escape story. And how messed up it is that uncle-daddy's apology should make you forget the crimes he committed against you when he should have protected you!

Insanity! Insanity!

You're making a life --but no thanks, JWs.

Welcome in.

Maeve

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Jesus had to die? Really?

by punkofnice in

i admit i no longer believe in god and holy books.. thinking of the made up 'universal sovereignty' thing, surely if god existed in the way the holy books describe him then he could have thought of something better than humankind suffering thousands of years and the slaughter of jesus?.

couldn't god have said: 'well, satan is a very naughty boy but you all know how great i am so we can end it now.

i will lovingly kill satan and his mates and that's that.

humbled

A related idea to your prompt, Punky, came to me as I posted in Snare's thread "A medieval question for you ...if you believe in god..."

While I was puzzling out a question Snare put out from a 1400s(?) theologian--I recalled the crazy complicated solution that same educated churchman, Thomas Aquinas,figured for Jesus to be born sinless from a sinless woman (of course Daddy J-but-not-Joseph was above reproach). St Tom helped put the finishing touches on the Immaculate Conception dogma.

It suddenly came to me that the amazing thing that God is supposed to have done to make Mary a perfect, holy vessel for the-son-of-god shouduv,coulduv been done from the get-go----FOR ORDINARY OL' ADAM & EVE!

That's what you said above, right? God had options. He just was too hateful to pick any of them. His way was the cruelest from any stand point--even not counting the gorey crucifixion of Jesus.

There has been WAY, WAY too much suffering.

If I were God, and people stopped believing in me--I'd be sooooo relieved. I'd just tip-toe out the back door and hope nobody remembered I had ever been around.

Universal Sovereignty. Pretty sick idea. and religion keeps covering for Him.

Maeve

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G'day from Australia!

by Buck Rogers in

hi guys, um maybe i'm posting this in the wrong area, i'm the same buck rogers from jwr infamy if anyone else peruses the forums, just decided to take a breather from there, and in the mean time aquai myself with you guys!

a bit about myself before i go uploading my life story,4th generation born in,non baptised left in 2001, walked around for a further 7 years still believing like a dumbass.. hope to get to know you all and look forward to reading your stories and participatin in your lively banter!

go you guys!.

humbled

Howdie Doodie! ...from Arkansas, U.S.A.